Trudeau harming relations between India and Canada?
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You have a very simplistic view point here, and don't seem to understand there are multiple reasons why they cannot present evidence to the public. First, they likely don't have a so-called smoking gun, but intelligence from the Five Eyes....but this also means showing it could jeopardize agents or methods. So, it is a difficult thing to do even at the diplomatic level. As for charging someone, I'm sure if they had the ability to do so, they would. As previously mentioned, embassy staff have diplomatic immunity, so they could only expel them....which is what happened.
We do not know all the facts, and likely never will. But, this really has nothing to do with Trudeau or your dislike for him.
Now, as we look at PP, the fact that he is willfully remaining ignorant on all of this speaks volumes. He would rather be able to say bullshit instead of actually getting the facts.
Pierre does not have to do anything to clean up Trudeau's mess.
What you have confirmed is that this shouldn't have been public in the first place.
Ruined relations with a growing world power and trade partner.
This is Trudeau's incompetence.
Somewhere in here there's reference to us having Primary Intelligence. Primary intelligence is "we saw them do this". You don't kick a diplomat out unless you have "smoking gun" evidence. The reason you can't present that is because India will then know where and when they were being watched, and then can extrapolate how and who, which puts our people, and our intelligence gathering capability at risk.
Secondary intelligence is "someone told us", and Tertiary is "I know a guy that knows a guy."
For all of Trudeau's failings, being a bureaucrat is not one of them. The guy has never stepped a foot out of rules-based leadership, even the invocation of the emergencies act was passed by parliament.
Anyone with half an understanding of international relations can see that this is a serious national security issue, and not a time to play team sports. If PP were serious about Canada, he'd be busting ass to identify and expel anyone in his party under the sway of a foreign governmetn. Instead, he's putting his thirst for power ahead of our national security...
And, like the coward he is, has disappeared as soon as the heat got turned up. Some leader he'll be.
Dude, the only reason this went public is because the Globe got the story. We don't know how. But, it probably wouldn't have stayed quiet for long...considering the US broke up an assassination attempt with a very similar target and method...how long until the dots connected?
So "trust me bro.
Which country will entertain that?
The national security threat is from Canadian citizens using Canada as a safe haven to conduct cross border separatist campaigns and alleged criminal activities in foreign nations.
That hurts Canada and brought foreign agents to Canada.
Canadian citizens who are Indian separatists.
Makes no sense.
These people should be deported.
What, that the Indian government assassinated a Canadian?
Or that PeePee and his party are accused of foreign interference and are so compromise that they can't get clearance and read the reports?
So: Pat King and Tamara Lich? Romana Didulo and company? All the Diagaloons, including PP?
At this point you're obtuseness has to be intentional. You're either so clouded by your hatred for Trudeau or your love for Modi that you're refusing to accept the facts that have been laid out for you 150 times by 74 different people.
The Sikh separatists who blew up planes, threaten Canadians and attack people here.
Trudeau was quick to ban Samidoun for chanting death to Canada.
But these guys literally blew up a plane and they are upstanding citizens. Lol.
And about those 74 people.
I'll let the majority of the Canadians speak when they vote this idiot out in Oct 2025.
Hopefully sooner.
The fact that there was an allegation of foreign involvement.
Not evidence.
As you surely must know, things leak from a number of areas. It could have been the fact that a planned meeting between Modi and Trudeau was cancelled at the last minute at that conference last year, and the Globe reporter got a whiff of what was going on. It could have been someone in the Indian delegation who leaked it in order to make Trudeau look foolish. We don't know.
Now, I understand your knee-jerk reaction. Everything is Trudeau's fault. But, try to be a critical thinker. You need to realize that for something like this, there are many moving parts. As the PM, he cannot control what someone in, say, the RCMP accidentally might leak to a reporter (if that is what happened). Blaming him personally for everything is just ridiculous.
Why did he seek assylum and was denied?
Why did he lead a sikh armed group?
Why is this group threatening people in Canada, allegedly engaging in crime in both countries, putting out threats against Indian planes?
These are not good citizens. They should be deported.
A separatist is a citizen of a country who wants to separate from their country into a separate state on some basis of ethnicity or religion etc
When Sikhs come to Canada as refugees and become Canadian citizens they've already separated.
Why then are they using Canada as a safe haven to conduct separatist activities against a foreign nation ?
They are terrorists that we are encouraging and pampering by calling this freedom of speech!.
India is right with their concerns and idiot Trudeau would prioritize the Sikh vote over trade and diplomatic relations.
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Even the Americans...
www.aei.org
India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation that India’s intelligence service conducted the hit, Trudeau said that US intelligence affirmed his conclusion. This was false. While American intelligence supplied Canada with raw data after Nijjar’s murder, Trudeau mischaracterised it.
Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.
Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.
After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.
Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.
First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.
Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”
Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.
Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.
Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.
Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.
Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.
Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.
Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.
India Should Designate Canada as a State Sponsor of Terror
India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation...
www.aei.org
Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.
Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.
After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.
Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.
First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.
Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”
Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.
Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.
Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.
Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.
Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.
Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.
Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.
Who do you believe, The Indian Government of The Canadian Government with respect to the evidence being provided?
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www.cbc.ca
Yes, why should Canada entertain the clandestine activity of a Foreign Government?
Ah, so you're talking about the allegation that PeePee and the cons are involved with the Indian government with interfering with politics for which you blame Trudeau.
All this does is highlight that the word 'terrorism' is used to justify your own terrorism.Even the Americans...
India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation that India’s intelligence service conducted the hit, Trudeau said that US intelligence affirmed his conclusion. This was false. While American intelligence supplied Canada with raw data after Nijjar’s murder, Trudeau mischaracterised it.India Should Designate Canada as a State Sponsor of Terror
India is withdrawing its High Commissioner from Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again accused India of masterminding the June 18, 2023, killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside the Guru Nanak Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia. To back his accusation...
Sikh militants in both Canada and California are deeply involved in organised crime and gang violence. When US intelligence has information about pending assassinations, it warns not only friends but also adversaries in advance; more than two decades ago, the United States even warned arch-enemy Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, about a pending attempt on his life. What happened in Canada’s case was more mundane: After a gangland hit, the United States sought to give Canada access to the routine but indiscriminate chatter.
Trudeau, shocked by the diplomatic crisis his offhand accusation against India sparked, dug in his heels to suggest US endorsement to his false accusation.
After almost nine years in office, Canadians are frustrated at Trudeau’s vacuity and condescension. Under the Trudeau administration, progressive virtue signaling trumps competence. Canadians chafed under draconian Covid-19 restrictions. They grew frustrated with bleak job prospects, poor inflation, and corruption scandals. While Trudeau might stave off elections for another year, polls show him losing to his conservative opposition by upwards of ten percent.
Perhaps Trudeau believed the volume and frequency of the accusation could trump truth. He also may believe that doubling down on Sikh militants might win him votes in key districts. On both points, he is wrong.
First, to misapply “Five Eyes” intelligence for his own political fortunes has created a crisis in the group’s intelligence sharing. Both the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency resented Trudeau’s desire to place them in a position where journalists asked them to confirm or deny his statements as doing so could betray sources and methods or spark a diplomatic incident if forced to call Trudeau a liar publicly.
Second, Trudeau errs by confusing militancy with legitimate religion. More mature or substantive leaders might recognise they had a problem. This was the case in the United Kingdom, for example, which five years ago appointed an Independent Faith Engagement Adviser to study and document religious extremism on British soil. The resulting Bloom Review covered the panoply of religious belief but its findings with regard to Sikhism were especially insightful. It found Khalistan activists relied on government ignorance and targeted the authentic Sikh community to further their fringe cause. The Bloom Review concluded, “Subversive, aggressive and sectarian actions of some pro-Khalistan activists and the subsequent negative effect on wider Sikh communities should not be tolerated.”
Trudeau’s behaviour has backfired in another way: By again sparking an international crisis by releasing a slapdash review to justify his accusations after-the-fact, Trudeau has again focused attention on Canada’s permissiveness toward Sikh terrorism and terror finance. Both Trudeau’s father Pierre and now Justin himself not only tolerated Khalistan militancy, but they also transformed Canada into a safe-haven for terror and terror finance, all for a cause financed and directed by an intelligence service in a foreign capital more than 10,600 km from Ottawa.
Subjectivity often trumps objectivity when US and Western governments designate terror sponsors. Washington may complain that North Korea runs a criminal economy, runs ransomware schemes, or hacks banks and that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is as much a money-laundering conglomerate as it is a military organisation. The basis of the State Department’s more controversial designation of Cuba is that the Cuban regime offers safe-haven to those who committed or masterminded past terrorism on US soil.
Subjectivity also corrupts the Financial Action Task Force, hence Pakistan’s release from the grey list under Chinese pressure, or Turkey’s release with Russian intercession.
Many other governments, especially in the Global South, are correct to accuse the West of hypocrisy when they refuse to recognise their own complicity in the same behaviour for which they blame others.
Here, Canada checks all the boxes. After Khalistani terrorists blew up Air India Flight 182, ignorance can be no excuse about the movement’s lethality. Left unchecked, the Khalistani extremists Trudeau’s government shelters can be as lethal as Al Qaeda. The movement would be impotent without funding, however. Here, Canadian banks are as complicit as the Arab and Somali hawala agent who ultimately helped move money around prior to Al Qaeda’s 1998 East Africa embassy bombings and the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York and Washington.
Canada is not alone. Illicit funding transits many countries. Some like Cyprus, Armenia, and Jamaica close loopholes and crackdown; they have become part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran do not care. Trudeau, unfortunately, now aligns Canada with the latter camp.
Subjectivity, be it in the United Nations, the Financial Action Task Force, or on various country’s terror lists, undermines institutions; objectivity strengthens them. As such, India can do Canada, the United States, and Western Europe a service by designating Canada as a terror sponsor for its safe haven, if not support, for Khalistani militants. Western finger wagging does not defeat terror; financial crackdowns, arrests, and extraditions do. Ottawa and, for that matter, Washington (where President Joe Biden recently welcomed Sikh militants at the White House) may not like the limelight but as both capitals lecture others, the best way to avoid such unpleasant attention is to make substantive reform.
Modi calls separatists 'terrorists' the way we say the Bloq are just separatists.
No, I did not. Which exact post did I say so?
They will not waive the immunity as they have committed those crimes!!
