How the Democrats are anti Democracy.

Butler1000

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Funny enough when I have a relative who is involved with the actual Aid relief to different states. He mentioned that This is by far the biggest relief arriving in North Carolina, and thanks to The
Federal Government.

What about during the California Wildfires when Trump was blaming The State Government and refusing aid until he realized that the regions hit most were those that were Republican?

But once again it was Trump who did this to FEMA:


Biden on the other hand has still pledged more aid to the regions hit hardest by Helena!!

What is he, an govt pencil pusher. I'm speaking to people who live and work there, who are on the ground in the muck. Whatever money is flowing in isn't reaching them.
 

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The biggest issue with the US is the two-party system. But, it sure looks like both the GOP and Dems want to keep the status quo. Stein had literally no shot of winning anything (just like RFK), but could divert some votes from Dems and help Trump.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there was another couple of parties out there with legit shots of putting members in congress of the White House. Hell, it could happen if Trump loses and the GOP tries to recalibrate more to the centre. Who's to say they wouldn't have a split where the MAGAts form a new ultra conservative party and the GOP moderates to classical conservatism...I'd be interested in seeing how that plays out.
We have a third party here in Canada. How is that working out for us.
 

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What is he, an govt pencil pusher. I'm speaking to people who live and work there, who are on the ground in the muck. Whatever money is flowing in isn't reaching them.
How can you say that the money is not reaching them? They got $750 each on the first day as an intermediary relief. This is for food and other necessities.
Is your friend n Trump Cult Follower to deny that there are helicopters and the National Guard that have been deployed by The Federal Government?
My relative is on the ground co-ordinating the Emergency Assistance that is arriving on a constant basis!!

 

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What is he, an govt pencil pusher. I'm speaking to people who live and work there, who are on the ground in the muck. Whatever money is flowing in isn't reaching them.
Also remember Trump's efforts when he was in the Whitehouse and during Hurricane Matthew?

 
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Actually, I would love to see the US have more than one party. But they don't. They have fringe folks running for president with no shot of winning. There is a difference.

Now, I could totally see the GOP split into two parties, one the far right MAGAs, and the other a more centerist GOP...We'll see if that ever happens.
If anything, the contrary. The right is getting dummer and trashier and more dishonest.

Take the British tories as an example. With Sunak bailing out, 4 up-and-comers have tossed their bowler hats into the ring. All of them are populist far right. The only distinction between the Tories and Reform is that the Tories hate Nigel Farage who's the fuhrer of Reform. So the British Cons are now "Reform, just without Farage".

PeePee is "junior nerd Trump". There's no sign of a Joe Clarke or even an Erin O' Toole.

The "aristocratic thoughtful conservative" is a dead breed. The sly, lying hate-farmer has replaced him / her.
 
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How can you say that the money is not reaching them? They got $750 each on the first day as an intermediary relief. This is for food and other necessities.
Is your friend n Trump Cult Follower to deny that there are helicopters and the National Guard that have been deployed by The Federal Government?
My relative is on the ground co-ordinating the Emergency Assistance that is arriving on a constant basis!!

In electronic form, in an area with no electricity, no Internet, and no grocery stores left. With no place to cook it.

My friends on the ground have said people can't use it. Meanwhile private entities are flying in food water, chainsaws, gas, and other actual physical things. They are even using mules to reach hard hit areas.

Entire towns are just gone.

That you think this is relief says it all. And I noticed you didn't refute what I said about your source. A person working in Washington is not a relief worker.
 

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We have a third party here in Canada. How is that working out for us.
Well, you can probably thank the NDP from not having a larger Liberal majority....So, in many ways, it works out well...But, I think you should realize there are five parties in the house at this moment, plus a couple of independents....
 
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Funny how you don't think it could also be Trump's record and lack of coherent policy....
Trump was closer to an independent then anyone. The GOP didn't want him either. Fox started out bashing him. In 2016 he was the joke candidate.

And he still is. But that is the state of the political leadership of both parties. A senile old man in office, his alcoholic DEI approved successor, and the idiocy of Trump.

So yes, a real independent candidate, who was allowed to run for real, would have a shot.
 
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In electronic form, in an area with no electricity, no Internet, and no grocery stores left. With no place to cook it.

My friends on the ground have said people can't use it. Meanwhile private entities are flying in food water, chainsaws, gas, and other actual physical things. They are even using mules to reach hard hit areas.

Entire towns are just gone.

That you think this is relief says it all. And I noticed you didn't refute what I said about your source. A person working in Washington is not a relief worker.
Again can you not comprehend that he has his boots on the ground in N. Carolina. Co-ordinating the relief to those in dire need.
Once again as I stated there is so much of misinformation that Donald Trump is spreading, making him a despicable individual.
Not a time for politics especially as even The Republican Governor has confirmed that he has received the aid from the Whitehouse with the $750 per person as a starter and the National Guard deployed on the ground!!

Also once again watch the Fox Video in Post # 48!!
 

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Again can you not comprehend that he has his boots on the ground in N. Carolina. Co-ordinating the relief to those in dire need.
Once again as I stated there is so much of misinformation that Donald Trump is spreading, making him a despicable individual.
Not a time for politics especially as even The Republican Governor has confirmed that he has received the aid from the Whitehouse with the $750 per person as a starter and the National Guard deployed on the ground!!

Also once again watch the Fox Video in Post # 48!!
Then your friend is doing a shit job. And lying to you about it.
 

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Then your friend is doing a shit job. And lying to you about it.
Once again you hate the real facts, and buy the alt right BS. My relative is doing a great job. He is actually doling out the food and other essentials.
Your buddy is the real liar!!

 

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Trump was closer to an independent then anyone. The GOP didn't want him either. Fox started out bashing him. In 2016 he was the joke candidate.

And he still is. But that is the state of the political leadership of both parties. A senile old man in office, his alcoholic DEI approved successor, and the idiocy of Trump.

So yes, a real independent candidate, who was allowed to run for real, would have a shot.
Um...what the fuck are you talking about? Now Harris is not only a DEI hire, but also an alcoholic? The fuck you on?

Trump was not an independent. He never ran as one. He painted himself as an outsider, sure. But he basically sang from the GOP song book. He is not comparable to Jill Stein or RFK, no matter how much you want to pretend.

Now, Trump could be considered an DEI. I mean, he's a rich white dude. Remember, he was competing against other more qualified candidates back in 2015/16. And all he brought to the table was venom, bile and grievances.
 

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Once again you hate the real facts, and buy the alt right BS. My relative is doing a great job. He is actually doling out the food and other essentials.
Your buddy is the real liar!!
Um...what the fuck are you talking about? Now Harris is not only a DEI hire, but also an alcoholic? The fuck you on?

Trump was not an independent. He never ran as one. He painted himself as an outsider, sure. But he basically sang from the GOP song book. He is not comparable to Jill Stein or RFK, no matter how much you want to pretend.

Now, Trump could be considered an DEI. I mean, he's a rich white dude. Remember, he was competing against other more qualified candidates back in 2015/16. And all he brought to the table was venom, bile and grievances.
When Joe Biden announced he would would only have a woman of colour as his VP, that is the definition of a DEI hire, as it means he would not consider other candidates, and that race and sex were the first and primary qualifications.

As for Alcoholic, even SNL was mocking this. She is, imo a functioning Alcoholic. I think the pressure has gotten to her.

Trump did not sing the playbook. He did end up following most of it, but he was anti war and stayed that way, protectionist on trade which was not the GOP playbook at the time. Which along with immigration are three of the highest polling policy concerns. And in case you don't remember every single opponent was pushed as the one to beat him, almost on a weekly basis, as they sought to get rid of him.

The continued line of the old establishment GOP has always been "HE COOPTED THE PARTY". That screams outsider. When the Cheney's are campaigning against you, that is a sign you can't deny.

Trump is an ass, no doubt, but his messaging on anti war, economic policy, immigration policy resonated. He was, after Obama, the next push to kill the Neo-Liberal concencus in Washington. Represented by Clinton. Both of whom beat her.

And in comparing Stein RFK and Trump, it might be apples and oranges, but they both are fruit, grow in trees, taste sweet. They are just different flavors.
 
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When Joe Biden announced he would would only have a woman of colour as his VP, that is the definition of a DEI hire, as it means he would not consider other candidates, and that race and sex were the first and primary qualifications.

As for Alcoholic, even SNL was mocking this. She is, imo a functioning Alcoholic. I think the pressure has gotten to her.

Trump did not sing the playbook. He did end up following most of it, but he was anti war and stayed that way, protectionist on trade which was not the GOP playbook at the time. Which along with immigration are three of the highest polling policy concerns. And in case you don't remember every single opponent was pushed as the one to beat him, almost on a weekly basis, as they sought to get rid of him.

The continued line of the old establishment GOP has always been "HE COOPTED THE PARTY". That screams outsider. When the Cheney's are campaigning against you, that is a sign you can't deny.

Trump is an ass, no doubt, but his messaging on anti war, economic policy, immigration policy resonated. He was, after Obama, the next push to kill the Neo-Liberal concencus in Washington. Represented by Clinton. Both of whom beat her.

And in comparing Stein RFK and Trump, it might be apples and oranges, but they both are fruit, grow in trees, taste sweet. They are just different flavors.
Do not know how my post had anything to do with your love for Trump and his racist policies!! His despicable comments about " a lot of Bad Genes among Migrants" is a racist and hateful comment!! No way that Kamala Harris is going to stoop to this below cave level. That shit about her being a "Functioning Alcoholic" started by that bullshitter called James Blair, is once again dirt being thrown at her by the extreme right wing social media, that you are buying. Just because Trump as usual posts and spews lies on a 24/7 basis, it is then amplified and blown out of proportion by the righties on their social platforms, as the righties cannot dig up another Hunter Biden in Kamala Harris: :rolleyes:


Trump used the Kurds in that war to defeat ISIS and then threw them under the bus. He is snake in that respect. No doubt that if Trump won the 2020 elections, this Ukraine war would still have occurred. He would have allowed Russia to raze Ukraine to the ground. Putin planned this invasion well in advance as confirmed by the Intel Agencies. Not surprising that he waited until after the Winter Olympics in Beijing as he did not want to piss off Xi, who is on his side. That notion of ending the wars in "24 hours"......... only cult followers who are brain dead, would buy it!!

You may praise Stein, RFK and Trump, but we know that several prominent Republicans have endorsed Harris, including Cheney, and Kinzinger. She has very sensible policies that will aid the Americans and keep NATO as a United Force, so that the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-Un are kept under check so that democracies are protected. Trump we know with the likes of Musk have threatened to make this the last elections if Trump is not elected. Hence it is anything but tasty fruit, and more likely that the next Jan 6th type insurrection taste is likely to be disinfectant injected in their arms that will miraculously make it's way to their brains............. that the elections were "STOLEN"!!
 

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Do not know how my post had anything to do with your love for Trump and his racist policies!! His despicable comments about " a lot of Bad Genes among Migrants" is a racist and hateful comment!! No way that Kamala Harris is going to stoop to this below cave level. That shit about her being a "Functioning Alcoholic" started by that bullshitter called James Blair, is once again dirt being thrown at her by the extreme right wing social media, that you are buying. Just because Trump as usual posts and spews lies on a 24/7 basis, it is then amplified and blown out of proportion by the righties on their social platforms, as the righties cannot dig up another Hunter Biden in Kamala Harris: :rolleyes:


Trump used the Kurds in that war to defeat ISIS and then threw them under the bus. He is snake in that respect. No doubt that if Trump won the 2020 elections, this Ukraine war would still have occurred. He would have allowed Russia to raze Ukraine to the ground. Putin planned this invasion well in advance as confirmed by the Intel Agencies. Not surprising that he waited until after the Winter Olympics in Beijing as he did not want to piss off Xi, who is on his side. That notion of ending the wars in "24 hours"......... only cult followers who are brain dead, would buy it!!

You may praise Stein, RFK and Trump, but we know that several prominent Republicans have endorsed Harris, including Cheney, and Kinzinger. She has very sensible policies that will aid the Americans and keep NATO as a United Force, so that the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-Un are kept under check so that democracies are protected. Trump we know with the likes of Musk have threatened to make this the last elections if Trump is not elected. Hence it is anything but tasty fruit, and more likely that the next Jan 6th type insurrection taste is likely to be disinfectant injected in their arms that will miraculously make it's way to their brains............. that the elections were "STOLEN"!!
The fact you think an endorsement by Cheney, is a good thing, says it all.

No wars were started under Trump. That's a fact. Deal with it. Why do you think a war mongering like Cheney endorsed Harris? Sounds to me she will be starting more.
 
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