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Shaquille Oatmeal

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So it means that Jews have been indigenous to the area for thousands of years versus only 3 generations for the Palestinians.
The people have been indigeneous for 1000s of years. You may say they have adopted a new identity only for 3 generations or argue that their identity is atleast as old as their ancestry. Does the distinction matter for the future when it is accepted by even the parties in conflict that the other identity exists?
 

danmand

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It was a name on a map in a textbook in the UK.

That's why the British used it. It had no reality for the inhabitants.
The Palestine pound (Arabic: جُنَيْه فِلَسْطَينِيّ, junayh filastini; Hebrew: פוּנְט פַּלֶשְׂתִינָאִי (א״י), romanized: funt palestina'i (eretz-yisra'eli) or Hebrew: לירה (א״י), romanized: lira eretz-yisra'elit; Sign: £P[1][2][improper synthesis?]) was the currency of the British Mandate of Palestine from 1 November 1927 to 14 May 1948, and of the State of Israel between 15 May 1948 and 23 June 1952, when it was replaced with the Israeli pound.
 

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Mandatory Palestine passports were travel documents issued by British authorities in Mandatory Palestine to residents between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the issue of the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were issued.[1]

Mandatory Palestine passport

The front cover of a Mandatory Palestine passport
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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You earlier suggested 3 generations ago in 1964. The goalposts seem to have moved.
I apologize, I should have clarified. I personally consider the label to predate Israel's formation. But if you protest, I will agree, as I did with Leimonis, for the sake of our discussion that the identity was conceived with the formation of the PLO in 1964. I dont see either position as weakening the fact that today the Palestinian identity is very real.
 
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mandrill

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As I said, even if that identity was conjured up only in 64', it is very real today. For any way forward, that is all that matters.
I would dispute that.

The idea of patriotic nationhood is exploited because it is familiar to westerners. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are far more absorbed in their religious identity than any idea of being a citizen of countries they probably don't even admit should exits - because of course everything should be the Blessed Caliphate of Islam.
 

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Mandatory Palestine passports were travel documents issued by British authorities in Mandatory Palestine to residents between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the issue of the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were issued.[1]

Mandatory Palestine passport

The front cover of a Mandatory Palestine passport
That's my point, Dandy.

The British invented the concept of "Palestine".
 
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GerryB

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Immaterial to the zionist declaration that they were going to colonize Palestine.
poor choice of words....as return to ancestral land is not colonizing
but if you so insist that it is what governmental entity those "colonizers"
represented ? Who's colony did they establish ?
 

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I would dispute that.

The idea of patriotic nationhood is exploited because it is familiar to westerners. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are far more absorbed in their religious identity than any idea of being a citizen of countries they probably don't even admit should exits - because of course everything should be the Blessed Caliphate of Islam.
I would dispute that.
Hamas and Hezbollah both were created in response to Israeli aggressions.
They weren't started through religion.

 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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I would dispute that.

The idea of patriotic nationhood is exploited because it is familiar to westerners. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are far more absorbed in their religious identity than any idea of being a citizen of countries they probably don't even admit should exits - because of course everything should be the Blessed Caliphate of Islam.
The 3 H's are terror groups and are not representative of the average Palestinian. The average Palestinian does hold the identity of a Palestinian today.
 

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The 3 H's are terror groups and are not representative of the average Palestinian. The average Palestinian does hold the identity of a Palestinian today.
Yet if you define terrorism as intentionally targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, as it usually is, you have to label Israel as terrorist as well.
Which is why zionists are afraid of using the legal definition.

12,000 have signed this so far.
 

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Yet if you define terrorism as intentionally targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, as it usually is, you have to label Israel as terrorist as well.
Which is why zionists are afraid of using the legal definition.

12,000 have signed this so far.
Yeah, good old days when Jews could be slaughtered like sheep or sent to the ovens are over now,
must be very frustrating to you and your buddies
 
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