Debatable. Israelis ethnically cleansed Israel of Palestinians during the war in 48'. So one party is actually guilty and the other guilty of a thought crime, if true. These speculations will not bring peace.
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Nope it’s a fact. Even if it’s inconvenient to you.
in 1969, Yasser Arafat became a chairman of the PLO. Consequently, diplomatic connections with sufficient political reach were instituted. After that, it became clear in the West that Arafat accounted for an essential undercover operative for the KGBfor years to come.[6][7]
By the 1970s, with the loss of Soviet influence in Egypt, the Soviet Union sought better relations with Palestinian militants, and Soviet arms and training were provided to militant groups.
The KGB was responsible for arming and training most of the militant groups. The KGBdecided which groups should receive the money and weapons. By 1972, the Soviets had declared the Palestinian movement the vanguard of the Arab liberation movement.[8] In the summer of 1974, a PLO embassy was opened in Moscow.[9] During this time Yasser Arafat had addressed the United Nations and soon the PLO was granted observer status at the UN in 1974.
So the KGB gave money and trained these militant groups? They dont seem to have been responsible for the creation of the Palestinian identity as someone else alluded. The identity has existed for a while.
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It was not an ethnic cleansing which is what I thought you alluded to when you said the Palis want the Jews gone.
When has that identity begun? In Soviet UN speeches around 1947 two parties are called Jews and arabs. Palestinians would have meant both of those.
Atleast as early as 1920 when the entire region was called Mandatory Palestine.
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That’s meaningless because it includes Jews and arabs and christians who lived in Levant.Atleast as early as 1920 when the entire region was called Mandatory Palestine.
The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for a neighboring people or land.Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia
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The issue is when Palestinian arabs become different from other arabs?
Maybe we can agree on 1964 when the PLO was formed? Which makes for atleast 3 generations of Palestinians. We can also agree that it exists today in a very real sense?
A point to note, which you said in your prior post as well is that the Palestinian tag is for Jews, Christians and Muslims who lived in the region. But not for the Jewish immigrants from Europe. So if you were to accept a new Israeli identity, or apply the Palestinian identity to all Jews in present day Israel, then the issue with Palestinian identity being new does not arise.
I think on the grand scheme of things it don’t really matter at this point who is more indigenous and whose temples are more ancient.
Once again, you simply have millions of jews who don’t want to leave and millions of Palestinians and other various arabs who want them to be gone from the river to the sea.
All the talk about who came from Poland or who doesn’t have their own language or fairytales or culture is, if not hate speech, at least not helping bringing peace.
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Is it not equally fair to say that you simply have millions of Palestinians who don't want to leave, and millions of Israelis who want them to be gone from river to the sea.
Absolutely and manifestly wrong.
Israelis gave gaza back to Gazans almost 20 years ago. Israel forcefully removed their citizens from gaza at the time. Gazans could have built Singapore but they chose to build terror tunnels.
