You mean London has subways?
Too bad people were against building more subways in Toronto.
The preference appears to be streetcars & bike lanes.
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Too bad people were against building more subways in Toronto.
The preference appears to be streetcars & bike lanes.
If you live in the city then a car is wasteful. Parking is too expensive and I would walk than be stuck in traffic. If you live outside the city then a car is a necessity.
Wow, this is pathetic when shown this way.
London's subways are referred to as Underground.
Most people overall are opposed to wasting tens of billions of dollars on The Highway 413 and the so called Underground Tunnel between Brampton and Scarborough:
They would prefer these precious dollars being spent on a some public transport like subways:
If Bikers are also paying their fair share of taxes why should they be deprived of a mode of transport? After all we car owners do not have to pay for anymore car sticker renewals!!
Now you know how it feels when a politician waste tax dollars on things we don't want instead of things we actually need.London's subways are referred to as Underground.
Most people overall are opposed to wasting tens of billions of dollars on The Highway 413 and the so called Underground Tunnel between Brampton and Scarborough:
They would prefer these precious dollars being spent on a some public transport like subways:
Sure, and you probably see emergency vehicles stuck in gridlock every time too!
And store fronts board up and shuttered or on the verge of bankruptcy all along the bike lane route!
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That is reasonable. Either improve public transit so people dont need cars or do something to reduce construction, bike lanes etc to reduce congestion.
Every regurgitated point she offers up is not only anecdotally hyper-exaggerated, but mostly or wholly false and not based on fact.
LISTEN TO RESIDENTS: REMOVE BIKE LANES ON BLOOR STREET - Christine Hogarth, MPP
Let there be no doubt that I share your view about the unsuitability of bike […]christinehogarthmpp.ca
LISTEN TO RESIDENTS: REMOVE BIKE LANES ON BLOOR STREET
Let there be no doubt that I share your view about the unsuitability of bike lanes on Bloor Street, and your concerns about the possibility of new ones being added to other arterial roads.
Christine Hogarth
MPP, Etobicoke-Lakeshore
Effective and inclusive transportation is critical to people’s quality of life.
Over the past few months, bike lanes on Bloor Street have emerged as one of the most significant concerns among the residents in Etobicoke-Lakeshore.
Many in the community have brought their frustrations to my attention. I understand that most of you are not opposed to bike lanes outright but are opposed to the traffic congestion they create.
Road access is a precious resource that impacts public safety, local businesses, work and family time. Its allocation must be responsive to local needs. Whether you choose to drive, cycle, or walk, you have a right to move around in manner that is quick, convenient, affordable, and safe.
The City has noted that motor vehicle travel times are up since the implantation of bike lanes on Bloor Street. Statistics aside, for me, what’s concerning is the sense of unease in the community. “Someone is going to die because of these bike lanes” – that’s what a resident wrote to me. As a community leader, it is my duty to listen to this resident, and many like him who are speaking up against bike lanes on Bloor.
Let there be no doubt that I share your view about the unsuitability of bike lanes on Bloor Street, and your concerns about the possibility of new ones being added to other arterial roads. There is a place for bike lanes, but arterial roads are not those places.
Just like urban planners, policy makers, environmentalists, and traffic engineers, the community needs to have a say in what works for them. I have been listening to your concerns, and here’s what I have heard:
1. Increased Traffic Congestion: Many residents have voiced their frustrations. One among them noted: “Bloor Street has become a parking lot. It’s a gridlock all day long from Bloor Village West to Kipling. No one ever asked us, the taxpayers!”
A mother said: “I cannot get 3 kids to High Park for soccer practice during rush hour on a bike. My alternative is to choose a program that does not require me to drive along Bloor Street.”
2. Impact on Business: Shoppers and businesses alike have voiced significant inconvenience. “The bike lanes have discouraged me from shopping at the local stores on Bloor,” said a resident from Islington; and he’s not the only one. Another said: “Businesses are being affected… customers cannot get to them. Delivery trucks can’t get to them.”
3. Safety Concerns: Reports from residents also indicate near-misses and close calls. “Impatient drivers (are) making U-turns, taking short cuts through neighbourhood streets, blocking flow of traffic,” shared one resident. Another pointed out: “The drive has become far dangerous for drivers and pedestrians alike. It is very hard at certain intersections to make right turns further delaying traffic.”
4. Underutilization: Many have observed that bike lanes are often underused. A resident on Saybrook Ave, mentioned, “My doctors office is on Bloor Street and it used to take me 10 minutes to get there. Now (it) takes half an hour with no bikes in sight.”
5. Delaying Emergency Vehicles: There are concerning stories I have heard about bike lanes delaying firetrucks, ambulances, police vehicles. A resident wrote: “I saw a firetruck on an emergency run on Bloor and it had to wait for the cars to clear once the traffic lights changed. There was no manoeuvre room to get out of the firetruck’s way. Someone is going to die because of these bike lanes.”
Another shared: “The other day I sat on the Old Mill Bridge in a gridlock, bumper to bumper, and watched an ambulance try to drive through but of course cars could not move or pull over because there are white metal stacks dividing the unused bike lanes and the road. Such chaos!”
As a senior resident noted, Bloor needs “EMS more than it needs bike lanes”.
These stories are everyday reality for people driving on Bloor Street. I second these voices, and call for a rethink, starting with:
Congestion costs. The price is freedom of movement, accessibility, emergency safety, and business viability. We need a pragmatic, not an ideological approach to bike lanes.
- Removal of bike lanes on Bloor Street
- Confining bike lanes to secondary arterials
- Moratorium on new bike lane installations
- Installing bike lanes where community supports them
- A balanced and objective analysis of all bike lanes
the only thing not based on fact is you
you have no idea what you are talking about
I drive there almost every day
I know that it's your wet dream
but it's not that bad yet
but there are more bicycle riders deaths now then ever
hope you will take it seriously
" With the summer season not yet over, Toronto has hit a grim total: 2024 is already the deadliest year in nearly two decades for the city's cyclists. This year, five cyclists have been killed so far — more than any other year since police started keeping such records in 2006 "
Ideally, yes. But practically, Toronto is never going to build an adequate subway net. The burbs are too large, too spread out and not densely enough populated to support a subway net like London or Paris. Any poll which talks about subway building is feelgood bullshit.
It's taken a decade to build a single line along Eglinton at the expense of countless delays, cost overruns and disruption. European cities have subway stations within 5 or 10 minutes WALK throughout the entire city.
no one's stopping bikers biking. The issue is them taking over 1/2 the car lanes and creating gridlock.
@Anbarandy - Yup, pal. You continually write about roads and routes you know nothing about, like some of your comments on the Gardiner.
That's because you just bike around downtown or work from home.
Let me tell you stories.
The province closed 3 outlying courthouses last year - Eglinton / Warden, Finch / Dufferin and Finch / Hwy 400. Everything was moved to a new, shiny mega-court at University and Dundas. There was a problem: - Court staff from the burban locations refused to work downtown and the new court-house was plagued by staff no-shows and resignations for about 6 months, which were so bad that courtrooms had to be shut down when clerks and reporters failed to show up and backlogs and disruption started to happen.
This was because the staff members refused to travel downtown to work because of traffic congestion issues. They simply said "fuck it!" and found other jobs.
Almost none of the new-build downtown condos are selling. Price and size of units are an issue here. But downtown congestion is also a major disincentive.
(This is why dumdum Duggo is suddenly in panic mode about traffic issues. His developer buddies are twisting his nuts off telling him to fix shit fast).
And these cycling deaths are occurring:
1) predominantly on roads that do not have separated cycling lanes
2) because of impediments in separated cycling lanes solely and wholly caused scofflaw actors and inattentive drivers
3) scofflaw vehicle drivers
4) inattentive, careless, negligent and reckless vehicle drivers
These killings are not occurring because of separated cycling lanes, they are occurring because of the LACK of them and the recklessness of vehicle drivers.
I hope YOU will take this seriously.
Cost benefit analysis, ridership not meeting anywhere near the minimum threshold to justify underground RT.
Uh, the Eglinton crosstown line is now in its 4th decade since construction started.
