Perfect Public Transit

[Skoob]

Cyclists have been biking around Toronto for 100 years before the current council built bike lanes out of car lanes. But it's not only bike lanes. The current council simply takes roads away from drivers. Palmerston Ave in Little Italy was the best non main road route to get from Bloor to Wellington and I used it for 30 years. 2 years ago city council made it "one way" and changed the direction every few blocks to make it unusable to motorists. There's no purpose to them doing this aside from telling motorists to go fuck themselves. The same attitude that Annie and Frankie show throughout these threads. The actual bike lane on Palmerston is just a small fraction of the - largely undriveable - road surface.

It's hard to believe London is only 25% more dense. Compare Don Mills to any part of London.

Downtown Toronto is comparable to London and Leaside is comparable to Croydon or Streatham - what Londoners think of as "suburbs".

Bike lanes, like the residential recycling program, are failed experiments that were allowed to linger too long as "feel good" programs, and now politicians don't want to dare cancel them because it would be an admittance of failure.

The little green lie:
In 2019, Canada produced about 1.9 million tonnes of plastic packaging, according to a recent report commissioned by the Canada Plastics Pact. Of that, the authors estimate, just 12 per cent was sent for recycling and an even smaller portion was turned into something new.
https://www.thestar.com/business/li...cle_473fffa8-3a35-5ce4-a871-8c2d44bd7fd7.html

 

[bver_hunter]

Yes "the tube" is a nickname but that wasn't the point. Point is the "underground" the "tube" are subways. You can call them whatever you want.

When Rob Ford wanted to build subways, Toronto council voted against it. Did you support Ford wanting to build subways over LRT's back then? btw LRT construction also affects traffic. Just look at Eglinton, St. Clair, etc. I would argue subway construction causes less because the majority of the work is underground.

Bike lanes don't make sense outside a small portion of downtown. Fine to get around in short distances. But what the city has done is put them everywhere, and in some places they are hardly used. That's the insanity.
The majority of people can't ride bikes everywhere so why are we appeasing a few to inconvenience many?

What was your point in this respect in the first place?

You mean London has subways?

As if to say that there was no such thing as The Underground........LOL!! So why were you questioning it........can you explain?

When I stated that the Subways were referred to as The Underground in London, that is when you came up with this:

Ok so you come back with your wisdom-filled knowledge about what Londoners refer to subways as? Doesn't "subway" imply it's in a tunnel underground for the most part?
btw Londoners refer to their underground/subway as "the tube".

Now I am fully aware of The Tube. Except that in the context of their conversation The Tube is normally referred to the Subway trains.
Such as "I am going to catch The Tube"!!

I had no issue with building more Subways. But the point is that this stupid Tunnel between Brampton and Scarborough is for cars. Makes no sense in spending over 80 Billion for this project.

Bike lanes also serve a purpose. Again as I mentioned, a lot of residents downtown depend on bikes deliveries for their food and other items.
Their safety is definitely a cause for concern!!

 

[Anbarandy]

When Rob Ford wanted to build subways, Toronto council voted against it.

Is that completely true, partially true or wholly false?

I kinda remember Frances Nutsiata breaking city council rules to allow Ford to proceed with his 2 station $3.5billion subway proposal.

Tell us what ya really know without relying on "search".

 

[Anbarandy]

Did you support Ford wanting to build subways over LRT's back then?

The simpleton's guide to building rapid transit:

"Hey, do you guys want a subway or a trolley over there?"

 

[Anbarandy]

btw LRT construction also affects traffic. Just look at Eglinton, St. Clair, etc. I would argue subway construction causes less because the majority of the work is underground.

Yesh, just look at this chaos for a decade and more from construction of the underground subway from Black Creek to Laird.

Look at the mayhem and chaos being caused from construction of the underground subway south of the Danforth, Queen St, downtown, University Ave and much, much more chaos and congestion coming soon to a street near you.

The denizens along the Eglinton corridor would forcefully disagree with your premise.

 

[Skoob]

What was your point in this respect in the first place?


As if to say that there was no such thing as The Underground........LOL!! So why were you questioning it........can you explain?

When I stated that the Subways were referred to as The Underground in London, that is when you came up with this:



Now I am fully aware of The Tube. Except that in the context of their conversation The Tube is normally referred to the Subway trains.
Such as "I am going to catch The Tube"!!

I had no issue with building more Subways. But the point is that this stupid Tunnel between Brampton and Scarborough is for cars. Makes no sense in spending over 80 Billion for this project.

Bike lanes also serve a purpose. Again as I mentioned, a lot of residents downtown depend on bikes deliveries for their food and other items.
Their safety is definitely a cause for concern!!

I asked if London has subways, to highlight the point that subways should have been and should be built in the GTA. You missed the sarcasm there. I'll try to keep thing simple for you in the future!

Tell me...how do the products that these bike couriers deliver get downtown to begin with? Think about the entire supply chain process and its dependency on motorized vehicles and then compare that to a downtown hipster waiting for their avocado toast delivery from a bike courier and tell me we have not gone overboard with clogging up important roads with bike lanes.

The proposed tunnel will also include public transit.

 

[Skoob]

The simpleton's guide to building rapid transit:

"Hey, do you guys want a subway or a trolley over there?"

I agree, we should have let Ford build subways a decade + ago.

 

[Skoob]

Yesh, just look at this chaos for a decade and more from construction of the underground subway from Black Creek to Laird.

Look at the mayhem and chaos being caused from construction of the underground subway south of the Danforth, Queen St, downtown, University Ave and much, much more chaos and congestion coming soon to a street near you.

The denizens along the Eglinton corridor would forcefully disagree with your premise.

Oh you want stuff built without any disruption and would rather build nothing so that you can complain about having nothing in the future.

yeah that pretty much sums up your stance on progress.

 

[Skoob]

Is that completely true, partially true or wholly false?

I kinda remember Frances Nutsiata breaking city council rules to allow Ford to proceed with his 2 station $3.5billion subway proposal.

Tell us what ya really know without relying on "search".

Not sure if you were born yet or maybe in pre-school but it was voted down many times over the years and those stops were the only ones approved for replacing the old scar borough LRT.

Now if only people like you supported building more subways more than a decade ago, we would be much closer to having what many other cities around the world have.

But we ended up with bike lanes as a sad alternative.

Thanks.

 

[Anbarandy]

The proposed tunnel will also include public transit.

Fark!

Can't make this shit up!!

The above quoted statement has just, just gotta, just gotta be the most laughably ludicrous post of the year on TERB and within the GTA.

And what makes it such, such a knee-slapper of hokum is that Thug's target audience, his hardcore culture vultures, the rubes, hayseeds and yokels swallowed his bullshit lock, stock and reeking, stinking barrel and actually believe him!

 

[Anbarandy]

but it was voted down many times over the years and those stops were the only ones approved for replacing the old scar borough LRT.

As I thought, without "search", clueless.

 

[Skoob]

Fark!

Can't make this shit up!!

The above quoted statement has just, just gotta, just gotta be the most laughably ludicrous post of the year on TERB and within the GTA.

And what makes it such, such a knee-slapper of hokum is that Thug's target audience, his hardcore culture vultures, the rubes, hayseeds and yokels swallowed his bullshit lock, stock and reeking, stinking barrel and actually believe him!

So based on your response, you have read the official proposal and feasibility study?
Or are you just making biased assumptions and looking like a fool again?

Tunnels work...
https://www.infrastructureontario.c.../go-rail-expansion---highway-401-rail-tunnel/

 

[Skoob]

As I thought, without "search", clueless.

So you wanted me to tell you what I already know "without relying on search"...I did. Now you're saying I didn't "search"

You're just confused right? Tough kindergarten day?

Here's a thought, how about you leave the grown-ups table and go back to checking your mailbox for your government handout and stop trolling.
You're not good at it.

 

[Skoob]

6. Let those who can continue to work from home most of the time.

Further, how about converting some of the empty office towers to housing rather than telling people to rent out rooms in their homes as a means to fix the problem like Chow suggested?

 

[Butler1000]

Yes "the tube" is a nickname but that wasn't the point. Point is the "underground" the "tube" are subways. You can call them whatever you want.

When Rob Ford wanted to build subways, Toronto council voted against it. Did you support Ford wanting to build subways over LRT's back then? btw LRT construction also affects traffic. Just look at Eglinton, St. Clair, etc. I would argue subway construction causes less because the majority of the work is underground.

Bike lanes don't make sense outside a small portion of downtown. Fine to get around in short distances. But what the city has done is put them everywhere, and in some places they are hardly used. That's the insanity.
The majority of people can't ride bikes everywhere so why are we appeasing a few to inconvenience many?

I take the Martin Goodman trail to work. Almost 20 km. Everyday. I pass lots of bikers, scooters and joggers everyday. On weekends it can be packed.

And as e-vehicles usage continues to rise(it works great) it's only going to get more busy.

 

[Anbarandy]

So based on your response, you have read the official proposal and feasibility study?
Or are you just making biased assumptions and looking like a fool again?

Tunnels work...
https://www.infrastructureontario.c.../go-rail-expansion---highway-401-rail-tunnel/

You're joking again:

• Construction of two tunnels under Highway 401/409 to accommodate two additional tracks, future signaling and communications infrastructure
• Replacing footings of retaining walls that support the ramp from eastbound Highway 409 to eastbound Highway 401

Total contract value: $117millon

Length of a tunnel: Looks like less than 100 meters.

Check it out:



You can see light at the end of the tunnel for how frickin short they are.


You know, you are such a partisan hack, a wedge issue culture vulture who is willing to fabricate any and all things in futile attempts to what exactly, I have no idea.

Do you understand how ludicrous you post is when compared to your dear leader, The Thugs 55km long. 100 foot deep, multi, multi laned fantasy tunnel from hell under an almost 20 lane super highway which surely will cost in the hundreds of billions of $$$ and take at least half a decade to construct? And the construction chaos and traffic mayhem that would occur.

 

[mandrill]

Fark!

Can't make this shit up!!

The above quoted statement has just, just gotta, just gotta be the most laughably ludicrous post of the year on TERB and within the GTA.

And what makes it such, such a knee-slapper of hokum is that Thug's target audience, his hardcore culture vultures, the rubes, hayseeds and yokels swallowed his bullshit lock, stock and reeking, stinking barrel and actually believe him!

Annie, calm down.

You're making the cars angry!!

 

[Skoob]

I take the Martin Goodman trail to work. Almost 20 km. Everyday. I pass lots of bikers, scooters and joggers everyday. On weekends it can be packed.

And as e-vehicles usage continues to rise(it works great) it's only going to get more busy.

A significant portion of that trail has not removed road lanes in order for it to exist.

 

[Skoob]

You're joking again:

• Construction of two tunnels under Highway 401/409 to accommodate two additional tracks, future signaling and communications infrastructure
• Replacing footings of retaining walls that support the ramp from eastbound Highway 409 to eastbound Highway 401

Total contract value: $117millon

Length of a tunnel: Looks like less than 100 meters.

Check it out:

View attachment 364059

You can see light at the end of the tunnel for how frickin short they are.


You know, you are such a partisan hack, a wedge issue culture vulture who is willing to fabricate any and all things in futile attempts to what exactly, I have no idea.

Do you understand how ludicrous you post is when compared to your dear leader, The Thugs 55km long. 100 foot deep, multi, multi laned fantasy tunnel from hell under an almost 20 lane super highway which surely will cost in the hundreds of billions of $$$ and take at least half a decade to construct? And the construction chaos and traffic mayhem that would occur.

The point, which you obviously missed, is that tunnels, regardless of length, can help to alleviate traffic congestion while improving transit.
These were built and completed recently. I'm sure they caused traffic as well.

You are so afraid of causing traffic in the short term while sacrificing the long term. No wonder people like you love to complain about everything.

The 401 is North America's busiest highway. Let that sink in.

You want to ignore reality and pretend vehicles don't exist but complain while doing nothing.

 

[bver_hunter]

I asked if London has subways, to highlight the point that subways should have been and should be built in the GTA. You missed the sarcasm there. I'll try to keep thing simple for you in the future!

Tell me...how do the products that these bike couriers deliver get downtown to begin with? Think about the entire supply chain process and its dependency on motorized vehicles and then compare that to a downtown hipster waiting for their avocado toast delivery from a bike courier and tell me we have not gone overboard with clogging up important roads with bike lanes.

The proposed tunnel will also include public transit.

Plain ridiculousness rather than "sarcasm", as you could not grasp the fact about The subway in UK being labelled as "Underground". You are hilarious!! Just stop speaking in riddles!!

Ohhh dear, as if the bike lanes are screwing up the deliveries by trucks. Listen do you want to ban people from using their bikes altogether in downtown? A lot of those people cannot afford cars, as they have to pay for parking and their rents are sky high. They are either doing some menial jobs that pay the minimum or are students. Bicycles are a means for them getting to their jobs or colleges. But we know that the Harris Government messed up big time in what he did in the 99 year lease of the 407ETR. We pay the highest tolls by a mile in the world today. Now DOFO wants to build tunnels at astronomical costs that are far more costly than normal Highways. I guess it is okay for him to balloon the deficits that will not be that beneficial to us in Toronto. Maybe those tunnels will have tolls to recoup the tens of billions, otherwise how is he going to recoup the costs for them? We all know that initially it may cost more than $80 billion. But in time no doubt it will easily inflate to over $100 billion!!