Former Trump administration official Kellyanne Conway registers as lobbyist for Ukrainian billionaire with past ties to Trump

Butler1000

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So helping their allies is war-mongering? You would just let Putin win? They supply old equipment and replenish it with new enhanced equipment. I think that is a good thing considering how the axes of evil are uniting, don't you? Peace through strength is a bad thing?

Hmmmm, you do realize what it would take to eliminate the filibuster right???? You do know who would stop them in their tracks right?????? OF course you wouldn't dare talk bad about the other side getting in the way, no, of course not.

Hmmmm, Iraq, Afghanistan if memory serves me were all under the Bushs but hey , sure blame it on the Dems.
They already have for Judicial appts remember? The Dems did that. The filibuster can go at any time.
 

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To get the money Congress has to approve it. Look at the number of Dems who approved it.
Doesn't matter, they didn't start it and when the US decides to go to war, it must be in a unified front for maximum strength but you know that.

They already have for Judicial appts remember? The Dems did that. The filibuster can go at any time.
If I remember correctly Joe Manchin and Sinema were completely against eliminating the filibuster. Joe's hands were tied with fake Dems on the team. You just like to grab on to nonsense. Why are you not harping on Trump and the Repugs not getting rid of the filibuster when they were in charge??
 

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Doesn't matter, they didn't start it and when the US decides to go to war, it must be in a unified front for maximum strength but you know that.



If I remember correctly Joe Manchin and Sinema were completely against eliminating the filibuster. Joe's hands were tied with fake Dems on the team. You just like to grab on to nonsense. Why are you not harping on Trump and the Repugs not getting rid of the filibuster when they were in charge??
Because they have clearly stated they don't want to. But many Dems are on record saying they are.

And if you are going to use right wing corrupted Dems as an excuse that doesn't say much about the party, does it?
 

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So tell me what war has Biden started while in power? Do you expect them not to accept donations while the other side feels their coffers? Tell me, should they just run on fumes instead and hopefully win future elections?

Yet the Republicans have actually if I'm not mistaken started more wars and we hear crickets from you.
Maybe not started, but there is this.
 

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Why don't you attack the Dems instead of constantly defending them?
You answer a question by asking another question.
Of course you will not answer it. My POVs are more in line with the Democrats!!
You are the one who claimed that The Dems are as bad as the Repubs. Then once again why do you only attack the Dems?
 
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Where is her name on the task force?
Can you not read? So here it is once again!!

Family Reunification Task Force

The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to the safe reunification of families that were unjustly separated at the U.S.-Mexico border.
 
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Of course you can think of more, there's LOTS of things to criticize the Democrats for.

The way they are currently handling the Gaza situation is trying to thread a needle that I don't think they can thread anymore.
I'd like to see much more serious overtures to Iran and a move away from the "2 out of 3 against the third" approach and more of an even arms length from all three position.

The whole approach to American hegemony in general is too concerned with shoring up an old position instead of looking for a smoother path to a new equilibrium.

The immigration position is still far too enforcement "tough-on" in focus.

While I know the US population is mostly with them in both of the above cases, I think there is more room to maneuver into a better position.

The entire carceral state is a problem and I want to see the Democrats be much bolder about reforms there.

I agree about Biden and the Dems in general needing to be more aggressive in their protections of voting rights and the electoral process.

They've been too timid on the Supreme Court as well.

FAR too much institutionalism in the party overall. (Abolish or wildly modify the filibuster, get rid of the blue slips, etc.)

Expanding on the advances of the ACA and moving even further in supporting health care access and results.
Good wish list on how things ought to be. This would tend to indicate you would rather see Kamala win than Cheeto Mussolini...
 

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You answer a question by asking another question.
Of course you will not answer it. My POVs are more in line with the Democrats!!
You are the one who claimed that The Dems are as bad as the Repubs. Then once again why do you only attack the Dems?
Agree. Saying the Dems are as bad as the Repugs is just plain weird, isn't it?
 

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You answer a question by asking another question.
Of course you will not answer it. My POVs are more in line with the Democrats!!
You are the one who claimed that The Dems are as bad as the Repubs. Then once again why do you only attack the Dems?
Lol.
 

Valcazar

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Read my links. It's all there. Stop obfuscating.
Ahh... the panicked hand-waving part of the argument.

You claimed they admitted it in court.
The Observer article doesn't actually support you.
I have provided you with a link to the actual court documents.

Please proceed to back up your statement.
 
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Valcazar

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Why attack them? Is it just for the sake of attacking them??
Yes.
That is his reason.

He will dress it up in the idea of being a "brave truth teller" about how they are as bad as the GOP and what he is really doing is exposing hypocrisy, but that's just cover.
He's anti-Democrat and that's all that matters.

The reason for this pathological focus on the Democratic Party being Evil is a mystery. One can form different theories about it. In the end it doesn't matter much.

The problem is that this mono-maniacal obsession of his results in him being singularly ineffective at his cause.
He can't make a cogent or serious criticism of the Democrats because (as that image I've posted many times shows) his internal flow chart always leads to the conclusion the Dems are bad.
Since it doesn't matter what the Dems do, it is just proof they are bad, Butler can't make a real critique.
He's retrofitting. It's the Clinton rules: "we know they are guilty, we just need to figure out of what".
The Dems are bad, therefore what they did was bad, he just needs to find the way to show that they are bad and you are a fool for thinking they aren't.
This also makes him susceptible to all kinds of bullshit if it looks like it can be used to say that the Dems are bad.
 

Valcazar

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As for funding, kill the filibuster and put in real reform.
Killing the filibuster is a good idea.
Slow, but steady progress being made there.

Including term limits. For all positions.
Bad idea unless we are talking very long ones, 18-20 years minimum, probably longer.

Further limit lobbying and ban former Generals and Politicians and senior appointments from lobbying. Ban stock trading for Politicians. Period.
Limits on lobbying, stronger revolving door laws, and more serious restrictions/enforcement of insider trading are all good policy.
 
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Yes.
That is his reason.

He will dress it up in the idea of being a "brave truth teller" about how they are as bad as the GOP and what he is really doing is exposing hypocrisy, but that's just cover.
He's anti-Democrat and that's all that matters.

The reason for this pathological focus on the Democratic Party being Evil is a mystery. One can form different theories about it. In the end it doesn't matter much.

The problem is that this mono-maniacal obsession of his results in him being singularly ineffective at his cause.
He can't make a cogent or serious criticism of the Democrats because (as that image I've posted many times shows) his internal flow chart always leads to the conclusion the Dems are bad.
Since it doesn't matter what the Dems do, it is just proof they are bad, Butler can't make a real critique.
He's retrofitting. It's the Clinton rules: "we know they are guilty, we just need to figure out of what".
The Dems are bad, therefore what they did was bad, he just needs to find the way to show that they are bad and you are a fool for thinking they aren't.
This also makes him susceptible to all kinds of bullshit if it looks like it can be used to say that the Dems are bad.
Yup, you nailed it.
 

Valcazar

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Hmmmm, you do realize what it would take to eliminate the filibuster right????
It takes having enough votes in the Senate.

There has been progress, but it is slow going.
There is no way to force Senators to vote in favor of something.
It isn't like the party can kick them out.
(The fact both Manchin and Sinema became independents shows that the party can exert some pressure to maintain some discipline, but it is limited.)

Mostly progress has been made in eliminating it for specific things. (As it was for judicial nominees for example.)
But many people remain attached to it for romantic reasons. Others for the practicality of diffusing responsibility for gridlock.

The US system is overloaded with veto points and people have sort of internalized that as a good thing to handle the cognitive dissonance of it all.
The counter-majoritarian factors are similar. In that case, there is more of a venal reason for blocking it, though, as the people who get the asymmetrical benefit are motivated to keep that extra power.
 

Valcazar

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Will add they should expand Congress. Right now each one reps about 800,000 citizens where the western world average is closer to the 100,000 range. So build a new building, limit it to say the 200,000 range and watch as regional/third parties become viable.
Won't do that much for third parties at the national stage, but may help with regional parties. Getting some consistent congressional reps in just because there are more opportunities might give them a bit more time to build real party infrastructure.

That aside, expanding Congress is LONG overdue.
One for every 200,000 would put the US somewhere around 1800 reps if we go by anticipated 2030 population. (Since this obviously won't happen overnight.)

For comparison, the Cube root law as an approach would get you to 711 (or 708 if you use the slightly refined formula).
The Wyoming rule would get you to about 602.
(Least variation would get you to about 1,000)

You could also do the implication of the original proposed growth pattern of the house from the original first amendment, but that math gets you back to 1 per 200,000.

I am dubious that most people would go for a 400% increase in the House, but I wouldn't really oppose it. (Especially given how much could be done virtually.)

Regardless, it definitely needs to be expanded.
(The Senate should probably be abolished or wildly reformed, but that's a LOT harder.)

Individual Campaigns cost less. Gerrymandering isn't nearly a thing because the bases are much smaller. Corruption becomes much more difficult. Citizens can actually reach there reps. Add the term limits and you will see a change for better, less corrupt governance.
Term limits will likely produce *more* corruption, though. Maybe with some very strict lobbying controls it might work out.
Smaller constituencies would have several advantages, I agree.
Of course, I'd like to see Multi-member districts as well, so that would be a bit of a trade off.

And kill primaries. They are a fake tool to perpetuate a two party system. Let parties just pick their candidates and then run them on their policy.
Primaries have nothing in particular to do with perpetuating a two-party system. Most countries don't have the weird, convoluted formal primary system the US has, but they end up with dominant parties anyway.

That said, I'm fine with them going by the wayside. Get the state apparatus out of them and if individual parties want to run primaries as broad general elections they can pay for and organize them on their own.
 

Valcazar

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Good wish list on how things ought to be. This would tend to indicate you would rather see Kamala win than Cheeto Mussolini...
Well obviously.
That's an incredibly easy choice to make.

Lots of the things I want are at least possible with pressure on the Democrats, plus there are lots of things they are doing that I like.
None of that is in play with Trump and the GOP.

Agree. Saying the Dems are as bad as the Repugs is just plain weird, isn't it?
Extremely so.
Even if you think both are bad, they aren't the same.
 
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