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Valcazar

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Stop gaslighting. It's in the article. You just don't want to admit it.
So it's "in the article" but NOT in the lawsuit?

And that doesn't strike you as noteworthy?

If the article is quoting the lawsuit accurately, this is a very simple argument for you to win.

This is me showing my glass jaw and the whole damn crowd will cheer when you put me down.

I don't understand why you, who so proudly proclaims that you don't let the media tell you what to think, won't go to the primary source and prove to everyone here that this isn't a case of you just letting the media tell you what to think.
 

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So it's "in the article" but NOT in the lawsuit?

And that doesn't strike you as noteworthy?

If the article is quoting the lawsuit accurately, this is a very simple argument for you to win.

This is me showing my glass jaw and the whole damn crowd will cheer when you put me down.

I don't understand why you, who so proudly proclaims that you don't let the media tell you what to think, won't go to the primary source and prove to everyone here that this isn't a case of you just letting the media tell you what to think.
It's in the testimony of the DNC lawyers who admitted it. As written the article. Stop gaslighting.
 

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It's in the testimony of the DNC lawyers who admitted it. As written the article. Stop gaslighting.
Then you should be able to produce the testimony and point it out.
Why are you letting Jared Kushner's magazine tell you what to think about something?
 
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Then you should be able to produce the testimony and point it out.
Why are you letting Jared Kushner's magazine tell you what to think about something?
I did in the article.







Link 5 is the court documents

Link six details it again.

Stop gaslighting.
 
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Valcazar

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I did in the article.
No. That's letting the article think for you.
Ironic since the article itself doesn't say what you claim it says.

Sure, the article has this paragraph.

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Note that last bit I highlighted. Presumably the Observer didn't want to be sued.


But you can still point out how the DNC admitted they rigged the primary in court.

The court documents are available publicly.

You could use the dismissal itself (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.487877.62.0.pdf) since that is what the article you keep pointing to is about.

Or you could make the extra effort to find the DNC's pleadings and point to exactly where they admitted in court that they rigged the primary.

I don't know why you are so afraid to do this.
You have me dead to rights, after all.
 
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Well.....I guess my point continues to stand.

The Democrats and GOP are both bad. You just admitted it on another point. The primaries are useless
In their present form
Okay, in that case why slam just the Democrats and continuously defend the GOP including Trump?
 
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That's like saying some low level bureaucrat in the Forestry division is also responsible.
Family Reunification Task Force

The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to the safe reunification of families that were unjustly separated at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Seals of the US Deoartment of Homeland Security, State, Health and Human Services and Justice

On Tuesday February 2, 2021, President Biden ordered the formation of the President’s Interagency Task Force on the Reunification of Families (Task Force) and placed the Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro N. Mayorkas as the Chair.

In addition to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the President’s Interagency Task Force on the Reunification of Families includes the Department of State, Department of Health and Human Services, and the Department of Justice.

The Task Force is implementing comprehensive strategies that will bring families back together and ensure that the children and parents who were intentionally separated from each other are provided support.

 

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Okay, in that case why slam just the Democrats and continuously defend the GOP including Trump?
Because if one group is less bad than another group, then you should attack the less-bad group constantly, because people who think less-bad is better than more-bad are fools and naïve idiots who must be broken of their worship of the less-bad.
 
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Family Reunification Task Force

The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to the safe reunification of families that were unjustly separated at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Seals of the US Deoartment of Homeland Security, State, Health and Human Services and Justice

On Tuesday February 2, 2021, President Biden ordered the formation of the President’s Interagency Task Force on the Reunification of Families (Task Force) and placed the Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro N. Mayorkas as the Chair.

In addition to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the President’s Interagency Task Force on the Reunification of Families includes the Department of State, Department of Health and Human Services, and the Department of Justice.

The Task Force is implementing comprehensive strategies that will bring families back together and ensure that the children and parents who were intentionally separated from each other are provided support.

Where is her name on the task force?
 

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No. That's letting the article think for you.
Ironic since the article itself doesn't say what you claim it says.

Sure, the article has this paragraph.

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Note that last bit I highlighted. Presumably the Observer didn't want to be sued.


But you can still point out how the DNC admitted they rigged the primary in court.

The court documents are available publicly.

You could use the dismissal itself (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.487877.62.0.pdf) since that is what the article you keep pointing to is about.

Or you could make the extra effort to find the DNC's pleadings and point to exactly where they admitted in court that they rigged the primary.

I don't know why you are so afraid to do this.
You have me dead to rights, after all.
Read my links. It's all there. Stop obfuscating.
 
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Butler1000

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Why attack them? Is it just for the sake of attacking them?? Trump lies and lies and feeds you nonsense along with his cultist followers yet it's crickets from you.
I seem to be known for pointing out their faults. Which means they exist.

Any party should be subject to extreme scrutiny. That's the nature of Democracy. And a free society. The ability to criticize power is the core of a democratic nation.

Why the dems? Because they choose to claim a higher moral ground and then go ahead and legislate, warmonger, and take money just like the GOP. So I choose to point it out. I'm not telling lies. I post articles and then you and others complain that I'm posting articles, not that the content is false.

Kinda says it all.

Tell you what. When you, Bver, D Dave, MG1, Val and the other members of the Dem Cheerleading squad start actually criticizing them with legit articles then I will slow it down. Until then when I see something it will go up. And you can enjoy another blood pressure pill.
 

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I seem to be known for pointing out their faults. Which means they exist.

Any party should be subject to extreme scrutiny. That's the nature of Democracy. And a free society. The ability to criticize power is the core of a democratic nation.

Why the dems? Because they choose to claim a higher moral ground and then go ahead and legislate, warmonger, and take money just like the GOP. So I choose to point it out. I'm not telling lies. I post articles and then you and others complain that I'm posting articles, not that the content is false.

Kinda says it all.
So tell me what war has Biden started while in power? Do you expect them not to accept donations while the other side feels their coffers? Tell me, should they just run on fumes instead and hopefully win future elections?

Yet the Republicans have actually if I'm not mistaken started more wars and we hear crickets from you.
 

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I seem to be known for pointing out their faults. Which means they exist.

Any party should be subject to extreme scrutiny. That's the nature of Democracy. And a free society. The ability to criticize power is the core of a democratic nation.

Why the dems? Because they choose to claim a higher moral ground and then go ahead and legislate, warmonger, and take money just like the GOP. So I choose to point it out. I'm not telling lies. I post articles and then you and others complain that I'm posting articles, not that the content is false.

Kinda says it all.

Tell you what. When you, Bver, D Dave, MG1, Val and the other members of the Dem Cheerleading squad start actually criticizing them with legit articles then I will slow it down. Until then when I see something it will go up. And you can enjoy another blood pressure pill.
Snickers, snickers, snickers ...... tee-hee-hee .......
 

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So tell me what war has Biden started while in power? Do you expect them not to accept donations while the other side feels their coffers? Tell me, should they just run on fumes instead and hopefully win future elections?

Yet the Republicans have actually if I'm not mistaken started more wars and we hear crickets from you.
Right now the Biden Administration is sending arms to two nations at war. To the tune of 100's of billions. You can agree or disagree with why but in the end being an arms dealer is war mongering. And that doesn't include all the CIA clansdine ops in Africa. Or Central America.

As for funding, kill the filibuster and put in real reform. Including term limits. For all positions. Further limit lobbying and ban former Generals and Politicians and senior appointments from lobbying. Ban stock trading for Politicians. Period.

And you are wrong about who starts wars. The honour's are about even because every war declaration usually comes with a UNANIMOUS vote to go.

Right?
 

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Right now the Biden Administration is sending arms to two nations at war. To the tune of 100's of billions. You can agree or disagree with why but in the end being an arms dealer is war mongering. And that doesn't include all the CIA clansdine ops in Africa. Or Central America.

As for funding, kill the filibuster and put in real reform. Including term limits. For all positions. Further limit lobbying and ban former Generals and Politicians and senior appointments from lobbying. Ban stock trading for Politicians. Period.

And you are wrong about who starts wars. The honour's are about even because every war declaration usually comes with a UNANIMOUS vote to go.

Right?
So helping their allies is war-mongering? You would just let Putin win? They supply old equipment and replenish it with new enhanced equipment. I think that is a good thing considering how the axes of evil are uniting, don't you? Peace through strength is a bad thing?

Hmmmm, you do realize what it would take to eliminate the filibuster right???? You do know who would stop them in their tracks right?????? OF course you wouldn't dare talk bad about the other side getting in the way, no, of course not.

Hmmmm, Iraq, Afghanistan if memory serves me were all under the Bushs but hey , sure blame it on the Dems.
 
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So tell me what war has Biden started while in power? Do you expect them not to accept donations while the other side feels their coffers? Tell me, should they just run on fumes instead and hopefully win future elections?

Yet the Republicans have actually if I'm not mistaken started more wars and we hear crickets from you.
Will add they should expand Congress. Right now each one reps about 800,000 citizens where the western world average is closer to the 100,000 range. So build a new building, limit it to say the 200,000 range and watch as regional/third parties become viable. Individual Campaigns cost less. Gerrymandering isn't nearly a thing because the bases are much smaller. Corruption becomes much more difficult. Citizens can actually reach there reps. Add the term limits and you will see a change for better, less corrupt governance.

And kill primaries. They are a fake tool to perpetuate a two party system. Let parties just pick their candidates and then run them on their policy.
 

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So helping their allies is war-mongering? You would just let Putin win? They supply old equipment and replenish it with new enhanced equipment. I think that is a good thing considering how the axes of evil are uniting, don't you? Peace through strength is a bad thing?

Hmmmm, you do realize what it would take to eliminate the filibuster right???? You do know who would stop them in their tracks right?????? OF course you wouldn't dare talk bad about the other side getting in the way, no, of course not.

Hmmmm, Iraq, Afghanistan if memory serves me were all under the Bushs but hey , sure blame it on the Dems.


To get the money Congress has to approve it. Look at the number of Dems who approved it.
 
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