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shack

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The world wants an end to the genocide in Gaza. Period. If it means eradication of zionism, so be it.
Based on the fact that the world is huge and Israel is tiny and nobody is going in to help, sure doesn't sound like the world is interested in stopping anything.

There is no genocide. Less than 20,000 Gazan civilians have died.

But thanks for admitting that you are calling for the eradication of Jews. Even Geno is afraid to say that. You should be banned for making such a disgusting statement. That is hate speech, pure and simple.
 
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Based on the fact that the world is huge and Israel is tiny and nobody is going in to help, sure doesn't sound like the world is interested in stopping anything.

There is no genocide. Less than 20,000 Gazan civilians have died.

But thanks for admitting that you are calling for the eradication of Jews. Even Geno is afraid to say that. You should be banned for making such a disgusting statement. That is hate speech, pure and simple.
No, shazi, I called for the eradication of zionism, not zionists and not Jews.
End zionism the way nazism was most ended.

Only Biden is stopping the world from acting and he's only got 100 days left in office.
 

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Based on the fact that the world is huge and Israel is tiny and nobody is going in to help, sure doesn't sound like the world is interested in stopping anything.

There is no genocide. Less than 20,000 Gazan civilians have died.

But thanks for admitting that you are calling for the eradication of Jews. Even Geno is afraid to say that. You should be banned for making such a disgusting statement. That is hate speech, pure and simple.
Inane
 

shack

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No, shazi, I called for the eradication of zionism, not zionists and not Jews.
End zionism the way nazism was most ended.
As Douglas Murray has successfully argued is that anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. The semantics do not fool anyone.

What percentage of Israeli Jews do you consider to be Zionists.
 

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As Douglas Murray has successfully argued is that anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. The semantics do not fool anyone.

What percentage of Israeli Jews do you consider to be Zionists.
Who cares what Douglas Murray says, next you're going to say Ben Gvir says its antisemitic to be against genocide.
You're going to tell us its antisemitic to not support doing this to 100,000 kids.

 
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Afraid is the shroud of secrecy you cloak yourself in for fear of the Feds finding out who you are and charging you with spreading hate speech.
I've marched on the streets, Smotrich.
I have no fear.

I argue for the application of international law, basic human rights and the end of the genocide, apartheid and occupation.
You promote genocide here daily, that'll get you 5 years in Canada.


318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

Definition of genocide
(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction

 

shack

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Who cares what Douglas Murray says,
A heck of a lot of people. He is in high demand for speeches and discussion panels. He is considered an intellectual celebrity. He's ubiquitous in discussions concerning the Middle East.

He clearly intimidates you, Geno, because he destroys all of your narratives and those of your fellow anti-Semites. He reduces Jew haters like Cenk Uygur (sp) to a raving lunatic with his veins popping out of his neck. He infuriates the pro-Pali side.

So, yeah, he won a fair debate proving that anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. He exposes people like you, which explains why you are so dismissive of him. I haven't heard you once actually attempting to counter his points. All you do is slander him.

From the National Post:

Murray, a best-selling author and associate editor of The Spectator, has since Oct. 7 become a very particular kind of intellectual superstar with his eloquent and fearless defences of Israel in the media, online, and on a speaking tour.

The Anglican-turned-atheist said he’s often baffled when asked why he supports Israel so passionately. “I still think ‘well, why wouldn’t you?’ It’s very straightforward to me.”


He pointed out how women, non-Muslims, and minorities “are all oppressed in appalling ways” in various states in the area. “If you believe in the rights of people to worship freely, think freely, speak freely, live freely, why wouldn’t you be on the side of the one free state in this region?” said Murray, 44.

“If people want to stand on the side of justice, and the right to self-defence, and have the right to life, essentially, which is what Israel is doing, then there’s no reason not to be on Israel’s side.”

The first epiphany went off during his coverage of the 2006 Lebanon war, where nothing in other media reports had any truth with what he saw on the ground. “And that was an early wake up,” he told the National Post. “I don’t like people getting away with lies, which is one of the reasons why I find myself doing what I do.”

Adding to the frustrating smog of disinformation, many other foreign reporters there continue to act like they’re on vacation: “They go out for a cocktail, and they go outside, and they stand in a flak jacket in Jerusalem, and they say they’re reporting from the ‘occupied territories.’ And then they go out for dinner. That’s quite a good war for journalists. And most wars aren’t like that.”

“And by the way, related to that is this obsession: that whatever Israel does is just front page news. If it’s Jews, it’s news.”


This obsession is acute in light of the volume of international opprobrium, and pressures being put on Israel, as opposed to non-coverage of “endless numbers of other conflicts” — including Yemen and Syria, which has seen recent deaths of 300,000 and half-million people, respectively. Pakistan, he noted, “routinely carries out the most appalling acts as a country” and “is in the process of expelling one million Afghans, forcibly. There’s not a camera there.”

It doesn’t help matters that most Muslim countries “hate the Jewish state” and “they can’t bear to see it winning. That sends them bananas.”

For the only democratic nation in the region, “the right to win, is a right, which for some reason Israel is forever being stripped of in the courts of public opinion,” he said. “Few people get away with the trick of attacking somebody, then being attacked themselves, and beginning to lose, and screaming ceasefire.”

In January, Murray interviewed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in Jerusalem. When the war first broke out, he visited the kibbutzim that were rampaged. In a recent televised row, Murray scoffed at left-wing political commentator Cenk Uygur, for being not much more than an ignorant armchair pundit, with no on-ground experience in war zone reporting.

“When people communicate by chanting endless banalities, you get the impression they’re not involved in a dialogue. One might almost get the impression they’re not in the business of thinking,” he said.

“If the people who chant ‘from the river to the sea’ and dream of abolishing Zionists have ever got their way, I would, among other things, pity them, because they would discover that they finished the work of Adolf Hitler. And if they ever came to that realization, they might have a moment of moral realization, which will not put them on the right side after all.”
 

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Based on the fact that the world is huge and Israel is tiny and nobody is going in to help, sure doesn't sound like the world is interested in stopping anything.

There is no genocide. Less than 20,000 Gazan civilians have died.

But thanks for admitting that you are calling for the eradication of Jews. Even Geno is afraid to say that. You should be banned for making such a disgusting statement. That is hate speech, pure and simple.
There you go again with another zinger from the playbook. Jews have and will always have the right to live and enjoy life in the land, even after the eradication of political zionism.
 
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As Douglas Murray has successfully argued is that anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. The semantics do not fool anyone.

What percentage of Israeli Jews do you consider to be Zionists.

Speaks volumes about your intellectual proclivities as you keep regurgitating the same bs from Murray ( anti-z=anti-s) and then deem him "intellectual".
 
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There you go again with another zinger from the playbook. Jews have and will always have the right to live and enjoy life in the land, even after the eradication of political zionism.
What's the name of that playbook? "Completing Hitler's Final Solution By Blaming Zionism".
 

shack

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Speaks volumes about your intellectual proclivities as you keep regurgitating the same bs from Murray ( anti-z=anti-s) and then deem him "intellectual".
Why not? It continues to be effective. You call it BS, but neither you nor Geno nor Klutz back up your claims of BS. Why don't you actually provide retorts to his statements? I'd love to hear them.

And it was the Canadian press that called him intellectual, not I. Do you consider Cenk Uygur an intellectual?
 
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