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silentkisser

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But here we are indeed...

Trump Has Condemned White Supremacists
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/
Yes, after four years of pressure....and yet he still meets with noted anti-semites and white supremacists. So, do actions speak louder than words? I mean, he also said there were very find people on both sides of the Charlottesville incident...where one side was filled with white supremacists.

So, you could come out and say you condemn the sex trade, yet pay for sex or sexual massages from an MPA....what would we think you actually support?
 

richaceg

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Yes, after four years of pressure....and yet he still meets with noted anti-semites and white supremacists. So, do actions speak louder than words? I mean, he also said there were very find people on both sides of the Charlottesville incident...where one side was filled with white supremacists.

So, you could come out and say you condemn the sex trade, yet pay for sex or sexual massages from an MPA....what would we think you actually support?
Your ignorance is wafting across this board....Every leader has to meet everyone regardless of their idealogy...Trump met with Putin and Kim Jong too remember? If you're trying to promote peace...you need to talk to everyone and see what else can be done to close that gap....Trump has gained a lot of black voters since Biden took office...that tells you a lot...but i guess you wouldn't know this...
 

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Yes, after four years of pressure....and yet he still meets with noted anti-semites and white supremacists. So, do actions speak louder than words? I mean, he also said there were very find people on both sides of the Charlottesville incident...where one side was filled with white supremacists.
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Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
 

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Yes, after four years of pressure....and yet he still meets with noted anti-semites and white supremacists. So, do actions speak louder than words? I mean, he also said there were very find people on both sides of the Charlottesville incident...where one side was filled with white supremacists.

So, you could come out and say you condemn the sex trade, yet pay for sex or sexual massages from an MPA....what would we think you actually support?
In your previous post you said: " it would mean something if the GOP denounced the white supremacists "

I showed you proof that he did.

So did it mean something or not?

Also, re Charlottesville, if you review the actual transcript you'll see that the comment was taken out of context and cherry-picked and used as another weapon by the left as usual:

"There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-very-fine-people-charlottesville/5943239002/

Full transcript:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

You can keep making misleading statements to backup your claims, but this is at least the 2nd time I've provided facts that say otherwise.
Are you getting what I've been saying here?
 

silentkisser

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Your ignorance is wafting across this board....Every leader has to meet everyone regardless of their idealogy...Trump met with Putin and Kim Jong too remember? If you're trying to promote peace...you need to talk to everyone and see what else can be done to close that gap....Trump has gained a lot of black voters since Biden took office...that tells you a lot...but i guess you wouldn't know this...
So....you think meeting a foreign leader like Putin (whom Trump seems to LOVE) is the same as deciding to have dinner with Nick Fuentes, notorious white supremacists? And meeting Kim...that was a debacle that Trump forced to happen. Hell, he even met with the fucking Taliban. Oh, please, give him credit for that....Imagine how Fox or the other right-wing media would blow up if Obama or Biden did the same thing. They would shit a fucking brick calling it out and saying they tarnished America's reputation. And did Trump get any peace? Putin continued his insursions into Ukraine, and North Korea continued to develop weapons and test cruise missiles.
This is just a really ignorant statement.
 

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Putin continued his insursions into Ukraine, and North Korea continued to develop weapons and test cruise missiles.
This is just a really ignorant statement.
Under who's rule did this happen? The answer might make you look like an idiot..
 

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Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.


"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Why don't you post his explanations for all the other crazy and terrible racist shit he's said. And it goes back decades. From the ad calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, to saying he didn't want black accountants to, well...there honestly is too much to post here. The NYT has a decent list, but it only goes up to 2018...


So, can you explain all that away? Was he taken out of context?
 

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Under who's rule did this happen? The answer might make you look like an idiot..
Hey, I never said Obama got a free pass. But, it was you who said Trump was a peace maker. It was also Trump who tried to extort Ukraine into digging up dirt on Hunter in exchange for weapons, which only helped Russia. I mean, were you not alive in the last decade? How did you miss this. It was big news.
 
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silentkisser

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In your previous post you said: " it would mean something if the GOP denounced the white supremacists "

I showed you proof that he did.

So did it mean something or not?

Also, re Charlottesville, if you review the actual transcript you'll see that the comment was taken out of context and cherry-picked and used as another weapon by the left as usual:

"There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-very-fine-people-charlottesville/5943239002/

Full transcript:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

You can keep making misleading statements to backup your claims, but this is at least the 2nd time I've provided facts that say otherwise.
Are you getting what I've been saying here?
So, when Trump calls immigrants (most of whom are hispanic) cockroaches or vermin (which tends to be what white supremacists say), did the GOP call him out on it? I think you're missing major issues here. Where is the anger or outrage that he would meet with Nick Fuentes and others of his ilk? But no, crickets. Or they amplify his rhetoric.

This is no longer the party of Lincoln, and hasn't really been for 60 or so years.
 

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Why don't you post his explanations for all the other crazy and terrible racist shit he's said. And it goes back decades. From the ad calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five, to saying he didn't want black accountants to, well...there honestly is too much to post here. The NYT has a decent list, but it only goes up to 2018...
I'm replying to a post you made on a specific topic. Showed you the actual transcript for context and accuracy purposes.
 

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Hey, I never said Obama got a free pass. But, it was you who said Trump was a peace maker. It was also Trump who tried to extort Ukraine into digging up dirt on Hunter in exchange for weapons, which only helped Russia. I mean, were you not alive in the last decade? How did you miss this. It was big news.
those are merely accusations...Trump met with every world leader to broker peace... no wars happened under his tenure...that says a lot...nice try using "extort"....US is aiding Ukraine financially...you think it's a good idea to keep sending funds while Ukraine babysit a US politician's son for some shit you know those cases stood in court right? or were you not alive then?
 

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So, when Trump calls immigrants (most of whom are hispanic) cockroaches or vermin (which tends to be what white supremacists say), did the GOP call him out on it? I think you're missing major issues here. Where is the anger or outrage that he would meet with Nick Fuentes and others of his ilk? But no, crickets. Or they amplify his rhetoric.

This is no longer the party of Lincoln, and hasn't really been for 60 or so years.
You continue to move the goal posts every time I provide proof that counters your argument. I didn't do that to discredit you for the sake of it, but to have you see what propaganda can do to people who don't look deeper for the facts.
I've done that twice in this conversation. Each time, you move onto something else.

Confirmation bias is real and affects everyone. I try to look for the facts before I make assumptions that can influence my beliefs.
 

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So, when Trump calls immigrants (most of whom are hispanic) cockroaches or vermin (which tends to be what white supremacists say), did the GOP call him out on it? I think you're missing major issues here. Where is the anger or outrage that he would meet with Nick Fuentes and others of his ilk? But no, crickets. Or they amplify his rhetoric.

This is no longer the party of Lincoln, and hasn't really been for 60 or so years.
''In honor of out great veterans on Veteran's day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists. Fascists, and radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, lie, steal, and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, whether legal or illegally to destroy America ,and the American dream. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister dangerous and grave than the treat from within. Despite the hatred and anger of the radical left lunatics who want to destroy our country We Will Make America Great Again. ''

The actual quote from his social media post at the time...
 
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You continue to move the goal posts every time I provide proof that counters your argument. I didn't do that to discredit you

Confirmation bias is real and affects everyone. I try to look for the facts before I make assumptions that can influence my beliefs.
Well said Sir..
 

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An after the fact article isn't proof of rape.

You want to prove it was rape, show the official court verdict documents and point out where that is stated.

I'll wait...
Listen to your own words, skoob.

In other words, you don't support and accept verdicts when they don't jive with your narrative.

Sounds like the only sore loser here is you sunshine.
Judge in E. Jean Carroll Case: Yes, Donald Trump Is a Rapist
A judge rejected Trump’s semantic attempt to throw out the case.


You back rape.
 

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It's simple...just provide the court-issued verdict and we can determine if he was found guilty of rape as it would be stated as such.

That's all you have to do. Not an interview or article. Not an after the fact description....official court documents.

If you can't, then you're just spreading more misinformation again as usual.
 

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It's simple...just provide the court-issued verdict and we can determine if he was found guilty of rape as it would be stated as such.

That's all you have to do. Not an interview or article. Not an after the fact description....official court documents.

If you can't, then you're just spreading more misinformation again as usual.
Stop trying to move the goal posts, skoob.
Listen to your own words, skoob.

In other words, you don't support and accept verdicts when they don't jive with your narrative.

Sounds like the only sore loser here is you sunshine.
Judge in E. Jean Carroll Case: Yes, Donald Trump Is a Rapist
A judge rejected Trump’s semantic attempt to throw out the case.


You back rape.
 
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