What i’ve gotten from this post is you are mad about my preferences, you are vegan??, and you think i’m not able to keep up in a grown up conversation cause I am a woman or young or both. Anyways, you sound silly lol
KFC is only serving Halal chicken in their Ontario restaurants
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From what I understand and the research I have done, Halal is actually not more humane during the kill.
It is, however, more humane during the life of the animal.
Stunning the animal first before the kill is considered the most pain free option and the majority of Halal butchers do not do this.
They slit the throat and windpipe which is a painful and long death for the animal.
The good thing about Halal meat is that the animal lives a good life before death, with lots of free space, zero abuse, proper care, and an abundance of food and water.
Halal also does not allow animals to witness the death of any other animal.
It is, however, more humane during the life of the animal.
Stunning the animal first before the kill is considered the most pain free option and the majority of Halal butchers do not do this.
They slit the throat and windpipe which is a painful and long death for the animal.
The good thing about Halal meat is that the animal lives a good life before death, with lots of free space, zero abuse, proper care, and an abundance of food and water.
Halal also does not allow animals to witness the death of any other animal.
Yes you are correct in that animals farmed Halal are not given any antibiotics, not caged and fed natural products. We have meat like that too, its called organic or free range.
It doesn't give them the right to ignore our laws on humane slaughtering practices. Why do we keep capitulating to a minority of the population and when does it end?
I am pretty sure most commercially/industrially processed poultry in Ontario stuns the bird in an electrified water bath. I can't speak to small processors. But I woudl think that any commercial processor needs an official Halal certification.
What laws on humane slaughtering practices are who ignoring?
You have revealed throughout this discussion that you were ignorant and subsequently simply try to back up your bigotry and did not, and still don't have any real understanding of Halal.
Halal meat is an essential part of the Muslim faith and advocates argue that the practices of traditional Islamic slaughter are humane.
Best Halal restaurants in LondonChinese authorities launch anti-halal campaign
However, many animal rights campaigners argue that religious slaughter causes animals unnecessary suffering and should be banned.
What is halal meat?
Although the term “halal” is used by non-Muslims almost exclusively to refer to the slaughter and preparation of meat in accordance with Islamic practices, its meaning within Islam is far broader.
“Halal” refers to any action or behaviour that is permissible in Islam, including what types of meat and methods of preparation are acceptable, while “haram” refers to impermissible or unlawful actions.
In the context of dietary rules, pork and blood, as well as meat from birds of prey and reptiles, are defined as haram and so forbidden to practising Muslims.
How is halal meat prepared?
God's name must be invoked in a one-line blessing called the Tasmiyah, said before any slaughter. British Halal Food Authority slaughtermen use the most common version, “Bismillahi-Allahu Akbar” (In the name of Allah the greatest).
Reciting a short blessing beginning with “bismillah” (in the name of Allah) is a prerequisite for Muslims before embarking on any significant task. Orthodox Jews recite similar everyday blessings, including a prayer used before performing kosher slaughter.
The Islamic method of killing an animal for meat is called zabiha. After reciting the blessing, the slaughterman uses a surgically sharp instrument to cut the animal's throat, windpipe and the blood vessels around its neck. The blood is then allowed to drain from the body.
Only one animal can be ritually slaughtered at a time and the other animals must not witness any death.
The religious law also says how the animal must be treated during its life, with the animal not allowed to have been mistreated or caused any pain. It must also be provided with enough space to roam, clean water, food and fresh air.
Some animals killed for halal meat in the UK are stunned electrically before their throats are slit, known as “pre-stunned slaughter”. The British Halal Food Authority approves of low-voltage electrified water baths to stun poultry and electric tong stunning for sheep and goats.
However, it is forbidden to use methods of stunning that can actually kill the animal, such as bolt guns. Animals not killed by ritual slaughter are considered carrion meat, which is haram.
Do the animals feel pain?
The question of whether religious slaughter is more or less humane than other forms is a matter of debate.
Shuja Shafi and Jonathan Arkush, writing in The Guardian, say religious slaughter is as humane as the alternatives, arguing that traditional methods of stunning, using a captive bolt, gas or electricity, only paralyse the animal so it cannot move. “It is impossible to know whether the animal is feeling pain or not,” they say.
In both Muslim and Jewish religious slaughter, the act of slitting the throat "stuns the animal", they add, and “there is no delay between stun and subsequent death”.
Animal health experts and campaigners disagree. The RSPCA argues that killing animals without stunning them causes “unnecessary suffering”, while activist group Peta calls halal slaughter “prolonged torment”, saying the animals “fight and gasp for their last breath, struggling to stand while the blood drains from their necks”.
The British Veterinary Association calls for all animals to be effectively stunned before slaughter, while the Farm Animal Welfare Council says cutting an animal's throat is “such a massive injury [that it] would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes”.
How does it differ from Kosher practice?
Unlike halal, the Jewish method of slaughter, known as Shechita, cannot involve pre-slaughter stunning at all.
Its proponents say the use of a chalaf, a surgically sharp instrument twice the width of the animal's neck, by practitioners who have trained for a minimum of seven years, “meets the European Union's requirement for stunning in that it brings insensitivity to pain and distress”, reports The Guardian.
So how is halal meat regulated?
According to The Independent, existing European law requires animals to be stunned before they are slaughtered, but grants exemptions on religious grounds.
The UK has such as exemption in place for both halal and kosher killing, meaning that “there are actually more regulations in place governing the handling of animals that will not be stunned when slaughtered”, says the paper.
In 2014, the Danish government joined Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and Iceland in voting to remove this exemption and ban religious slaughter on the ground that “animal rights come before religion”.
Earlier this year, a ban involving ritual animal slaughter came into force in parts of Belgium to “significant opposition” reports Metro.
Both halal and kosher ways of killing are now illegal in the southern region of Flanders, where animals now have to be electronically stunned before they can be killed. The ban is set be extended to Wallonia in southern Belgium from September, meaning the only place where it will be possible to buy halal or kosher meat will be Brussels, which is home to around 500,000 Muslims and 30,000 Jews.
The ban has been described as both anti-Semitic and Islamophobic, with European Jewish Congress president Moshe Kantor claiming “it attacks the very core of our culture and religious practice and our status as equal citizens with equal rights in a democratic society. We call on legislators to step back from the brink of the greatest assault on Jewish religious rights in Belgium since the Nazi occupation of the country in World War Two.”
The British government has repeatedly resisted pressure from animal welfare groups such as the RSPCA to outlaw halal slaughter without pre-stunning and opposed EU measures that would have required meat to carry labels confirming whether it came from animals that had been stunned before slaughter on the grounds they discriminated against Muslim and Jewish groups.
However, it is as yet unclear how regulations surrounding halal meat will be affected once Britain leaves the EU.
How does this work in practice?
In a highly publicised case last year, Lancashire council became the first local authority to ban unstunned halal meat in school dinners.
Following an impassioned and at times bitter campaign between council leader Geoff Driver and the local Muslim community, the Conservative-controlled council narrowly voted for the ban.
The decision prompted calls for Muslim students to boycott school lunches and provoked a war of words between Muslim leaders, the council and animal rights groups.
Lancashire Council of Mosques (LCM) accused Driver of leading a “crusade” on the issue and LCM’s acting chair, Abdul Qureshi, said any decision to ban unstunned halal meat would create huge difficulty.
“People will pull out of school meals and people who should eat properly will be deprived of that. For us it’s a matter of faith. For Geoff Driver it is his feelings,” he told the BBC.
Is halal meat more widespread than we think?
According to one of Britain’s foremost vets, many non-Muslim Britons are inadvertently eating meat from animals slaughtered while they are still conscious.
Lord Trees, a former president of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, said that with the sharp rise in the number of sheep and poultry being killed in accordance with halal practice it was highly probable that some unstunned meat was entering the “standard” food chain, mainly in pies and ready meals.
“It’s very difficult to have accurate traceability when meat may go through the food chain and pass through several different people’s hands. Various parts of it will go in all sorts of directions into different food chains and different processing systems, often different countries,” he wrote in the journal Vet Record.
The Daily Mail has cited new figures from the Foods Standards Agency which show the number of sheep slaughtered in Britain without being stunned had doubled in six years, to more than three million.
Raising the mater in the House of Lords, Lord Trees called for a change in the law to ensure all animals had to be stunned before they were killed, asking “Does the minister agree with me that in that aspect of animal welfare we are going backwards?”
How much is the industry worth?
The industry body Eblex has estimated the value of the halal meat industry to be around £2.6bn a year.
Its latest report into the halal meat market is Britain also suggests that while Muslims in the UK represent just 3% of the population, they consume around 20% of all the lamb sold as well as a growing percentage of beef, most of which is halal.
However, this accounts for just a fraction of the global halal-certified food and beverage industry, valued at $415bn per year.
Perhaps surprisingly, according to Al Jazeera eight of the 10 largest suppliers of global halal meat are non-Muslim majority countries, with Brazil, Australia and India leading the way.
theweek.com
Best Halal restaurants in LondonChinese authorities launch anti-halal campaign
However, many animal rights campaigners argue that religious slaughter causes animals unnecessary suffering and should be banned.
What is halal meat?
Although the term “halal” is used by non-Muslims almost exclusively to refer to the slaughter and preparation of meat in accordance with Islamic practices, its meaning within Islam is far broader.
“Halal” refers to any action or behaviour that is permissible in Islam, including what types of meat and methods of preparation are acceptable, while “haram” refers to impermissible or unlawful actions.
In the context of dietary rules, pork and blood, as well as meat from birds of prey and reptiles, are defined as haram and so forbidden to practising Muslims.
How is halal meat prepared?
God's name must be invoked in a one-line blessing called the Tasmiyah, said before any slaughter. British Halal Food Authority slaughtermen use the most common version, “Bismillahi-Allahu Akbar” (In the name of Allah the greatest).
Reciting a short blessing beginning with “bismillah” (in the name of Allah) is a prerequisite for Muslims before embarking on any significant task. Orthodox Jews recite similar everyday blessings, including a prayer used before performing kosher slaughter.
The Islamic method of killing an animal for meat is called zabiha. After reciting the blessing, the slaughterman uses a surgically sharp instrument to cut the animal's throat, windpipe and the blood vessels around its neck. The blood is then allowed to drain from the body.
Only one animal can be ritually slaughtered at a time and the other animals must not witness any death.
The religious law also says how the animal must be treated during its life, with the animal not allowed to have been mistreated or caused any pain. It must also be provided with enough space to roam, clean water, food and fresh air.
Some animals killed for halal meat in the UK are stunned electrically before their throats are slit, known as “pre-stunned slaughter”. The British Halal Food Authority approves of low-voltage electrified water baths to stun poultry and electric tong stunning for sheep and goats.
However, it is forbidden to use methods of stunning that can actually kill the animal, such as bolt guns. Animals not killed by ritual slaughter are considered carrion meat, which is haram.
Do the animals feel pain?
The question of whether religious slaughter is more or less humane than other forms is a matter of debate.
Shuja Shafi and Jonathan Arkush, writing in The Guardian, say religious slaughter is as humane as the alternatives, arguing that traditional methods of stunning, using a captive bolt, gas or electricity, only paralyse the animal so it cannot move. “It is impossible to know whether the animal is feeling pain or not,” they say.
In both Muslim and Jewish religious slaughter, the act of slitting the throat "stuns the animal", they add, and “there is no delay between stun and subsequent death”.
Animal health experts and campaigners disagree. The RSPCA argues that killing animals without stunning them causes “unnecessary suffering”, while activist group Peta calls halal slaughter “prolonged torment”, saying the animals “fight and gasp for their last breath, struggling to stand while the blood drains from their necks”.
The British Veterinary Association calls for all animals to be effectively stunned before slaughter, while the Farm Animal Welfare Council says cutting an animal's throat is “such a massive injury [that it] would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes”.
How does it differ from Kosher practice?
Unlike halal, the Jewish method of slaughter, known as Shechita, cannot involve pre-slaughter stunning at all.
Its proponents say the use of a chalaf, a surgically sharp instrument twice the width of the animal's neck, by practitioners who have trained for a minimum of seven years, “meets the European Union's requirement for stunning in that it brings insensitivity to pain and distress”, reports The Guardian.
So how is halal meat regulated?
According to The Independent, existing European law requires animals to be stunned before they are slaughtered, but grants exemptions on religious grounds.
The UK has such as exemption in place for both halal and kosher killing, meaning that “there are actually more regulations in place governing the handling of animals that will not be stunned when slaughtered”, says the paper.
In 2014, the Danish government joined Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and Iceland in voting to remove this exemption and ban religious slaughter on the ground that “animal rights come before religion”.
Earlier this year, a ban involving ritual animal slaughter came into force in parts of Belgium to “significant opposition” reports Metro.
Both halal and kosher ways of killing are now illegal in the southern region of Flanders, where animals now have to be electronically stunned before they can be killed. The ban is set be extended to Wallonia in southern Belgium from September, meaning the only place where it will be possible to buy halal or kosher meat will be Brussels, which is home to around 500,000 Muslims and 30,000 Jews.
The ban has been described as both anti-Semitic and Islamophobic, with European Jewish Congress president Moshe Kantor claiming “it attacks the very core of our culture and religious practice and our status as equal citizens with equal rights in a democratic society. We call on legislators to step back from the brink of the greatest assault on Jewish religious rights in Belgium since the Nazi occupation of the country in World War Two.”
The British government has repeatedly resisted pressure from animal welfare groups such as the RSPCA to outlaw halal slaughter without pre-stunning and opposed EU measures that would have required meat to carry labels confirming whether it came from animals that had been stunned before slaughter on the grounds they discriminated against Muslim and Jewish groups.
However, it is as yet unclear how regulations surrounding halal meat will be affected once Britain leaves the EU.
How does this work in practice?
In a highly publicised case last year, Lancashire council became the first local authority to ban unstunned halal meat in school dinners.
Following an impassioned and at times bitter campaign between council leader Geoff Driver and the local Muslim community, the Conservative-controlled council narrowly voted for the ban.
The decision prompted calls for Muslim students to boycott school lunches and provoked a war of words between Muslim leaders, the council and animal rights groups.
Lancashire Council of Mosques (LCM) accused Driver of leading a “crusade” on the issue and LCM’s acting chair, Abdul Qureshi, said any decision to ban unstunned halal meat would create huge difficulty.
“People will pull out of school meals and people who should eat properly will be deprived of that. For us it’s a matter of faith. For Geoff Driver it is his feelings,” he told the BBC.
Is halal meat more widespread than we think?
According to one of Britain’s foremost vets, many non-Muslim Britons are inadvertently eating meat from animals slaughtered while they are still conscious.
Lord Trees, a former president of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, said that with the sharp rise in the number of sheep and poultry being killed in accordance with halal practice it was highly probable that some unstunned meat was entering the “standard” food chain, mainly in pies and ready meals.
“It’s very difficult to have accurate traceability when meat may go through the food chain and pass through several different people’s hands. Various parts of it will go in all sorts of directions into different food chains and different processing systems, often different countries,” he wrote in the journal Vet Record.
The Daily Mail has cited new figures from the Foods Standards Agency which show the number of sheep slaughtered in Britain without being stunned had doubled in six years, to more than three million.
Raising the mater in the House of Lords, Lord Trees called for a change in the law to ensure all animals had to be stunned before they were killed, asking “Does the minister agree with me that in that aspect of animal welfare we are going backwards?”
How much is the industry worth?
The industry body Eblex has estimated the value of the halal meat industry to be around £2.6bn a year.
Its latest report into the halal meat market is Britain also suggests that while Muslims in the UK represent just 3% of the population, they consume around 20% of all the lamb sold as well as a growing percentage of beef, most of which is halal.
However, this accounts for just a fraction of the global halal-certified food and beverage industry, valued at $415bn per year.
Perhaps surprisingly, according to Al Jazeera eight of the 10 largest suppliers of global halal meat are non-Muslim majority countries, with Brazil, Australia and India leading the way.
Halal meat: what is it and why is it so controversial?
Islamic ritual slaughter has been attacked as cruel, but Muslim authorities say the method is humane
theweek.com
in my opinion. The definition of minority is essential. No body cares about it anymore but a very important point that leads to demography
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this is another example of left.
If left doesn’t have any logical argument, the topic will lead to victim card like am I not matured enough? Coz I am woman? Coz I have periods? Coz I m young? Coz I have certain food choices? You’re stupid lol.
I am still confused if the quoted post was a question at all?
edit: I forgot to add “lol” so “lol”
Because of this thread, I bought a Halal rotisserie chicken at the grocery store today.
I don't notice any taste difference.
I don't notice any taste difference.
Take the cliche of an old man yelling at the sky, replace sky with fried chicken.
I am NOT a liberal thank you, and that’s the. most disrespectful part of this whole thing. Your post is an example someone who takes posts out of context and is honestly just disrespectful. I literally said preach. I didn’t even make a comment or a question, and it was in response to the guy who said THERE WILL NOT BE A NOTEABLE DIFFERENCE between halal chicken at kfc or not, and the people who are mad are likely mad for other reasons. The amount of stuff KFC puts that chicken through, whether it is halal or not you will not be able to taste a significant difference. I said one word, and this guy goes off about my services (which does not even belong in this board), the fact that was what you chose to bring up, proves to me even if I had an amazing argument that you agreed with, you wouldn’t like me cause your mad I won’t suck you raw as crazy as it sounds. Furthermore, you are going into detail about the slaughtering of the chicken and how inhumane it is, if you think halal chicken is inhumane, and non halal chicken is inhumane, i’m going to assume, you just don’t like chicken! Nobody was playing the victim card, I was stating a fact which was that he was mad about my services and chose to base his whole idea of me based on that (which is literally true if you read his post) Stop using my posts to fit your little narrative cause the only time you feel powerful in your life is arguing with randoms on Terb. Sorry but if your wife doesn’t make you feel like a man, I’m not going too either.
Arielle
You try so hard to spin things so they fit your narrative. A perfect example is "absolutely indiscernable". It's indiscernable...you know why??? Because they tell is halal so there for it;s discernable. Judging by the way you spelled it, it's clear you don't understand the meaning of it.
Who cares you all have way to much free time, KFC halal or not is bad for you. Haven't eaten there or Popeyes for over a decade now.
He is a Hindu Nationalist from India. He is also vegetarian, which I know from a previous post of his, and most likely belongs to a caste which prohibits eating meat. This sort of bullshit towards Halal or even eating meat is quite common in those circles in India especially in the north. Ignore him.
Moving on....
In India most people go to a butcher shop which doubles as a slaughterhouse to buy chicken. We go there, and choose the live chicken that is to be slaughtered and then the butcher slits the neck in front of you.
As someone who has actually stood by and WATCHED halal slaughter in person, because I used to buy meat from a Muslim butcher in India, for many years, no, the neck is not slit "very slowly". It is slit fast, with one deep stroke, with a very sharp blade and I have literally seen the chicken go still after about 5 seconds, and likely about 15 seconds for goat.
I have also seen slow and incomplete slicing of the neck in most slaughterhouses owned by non-Muslims where they haphazardly slice the neck and throw the chicken into a bucket and the chicken thrashes around for a good minute before dying.
Everytime a Muslim has slaughtered using halal methods, in my long experience of buying meat in India, the slaughter has been fast, and the meat after is cleaner without any blood. Not the case with non-halal methods.
As for Sikhs - observant Sikhs cannot eat ritually slaughtered meat, such as Halal and Kosher. For Sikhs, they use a method called "Jhatka". Which is to sever the neck in one stroke - aka behead the animal. So in Sikh butcher shops, they will hold the chicken down and chop off the neck and then throw it into a bucket to bleed out.
As for humane methods of slaughter, the slaughter itself is less important than how the animal is treated before. Herding the animal into a stall, using cattle prods etc, and then shooting it in the head with captive bolt pistol or electric stunning etc, severely stresses out the animal. So there is not a lot of humanity there anyway.
Lastly none of this has anything to do with secularism. Secularism is keeping religion out of the government. Not out of KFC.
The few outraged Karens on here need to grow up and stop the racism and Islamophobia cloaked as - "I wanna know what I am eating" BS.
Very well said. Stated from a perspective of knowledge, experience and accurate interpretation of the motives behind the outraged KFC Konnuersuers
Your totally missing the point of thread. It's not really about KFC as it is about companies using meat with religious affiliations to it.
Wel... such a principled many better hope that your parents or religous man who chopped the head off your chicken didn't do it, or not do it, for religious reasons or NO BLOW JOBS FOR YOU!
And if so, at least don't be misleading. Make sure you either disclose it verbally before said blowjob or post a tattooed notice under your gut.
Jeeez.... all this religionized meat being shoved down everyone's throat!
