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shack

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No, Shazi.

I've been calling for a ceasefire for 9 months.
I've been calling for Hamas and Israel to be taken to court.
I've been calling for the end of the occupation, end of apartheid and the end of genocide.
You call for the genocide of Jews in Israel because you've admitted that:

1)You hate Zionists
2)You believe that all of the Jews in Israel are Zionists.
 

shack

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Easy.
Ceasefire and end the genocide.
The UN said to release the hostages unconditionally. Why are you putting on conditions?

You are shitting in the face of what the UN says. You have no right to mention the UN again.
 
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Frankfooter

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You call for peace in Israel/Palestine because you've admitted that:

1)You hate Zionists
2)You believe that all of the Settlers in Israel are Zionists.
Fixed your post for accuracy.
Too bad you have to resort to lying about people's position through straw man arguments to justify genocide.

Its just so sad that you hate Jews as much as you do.
You hate Jews who post for peace.

 
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The UN said both sides have to ceasefire, to release the hostages unconditionally and allow all aid through. Why are you putting on conditions?

You are shitting in the face of what the UN says. You have no right to mention the UN again.
Fixed your post for accuracy.
You will now declare that the UN is antisemitic and that Israel doesn't have to respond, only Hamas, a non-member.

Your total support of the UN also means you agree with this statement, even as you cheer for every Palestinian killed.
 
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Frankfooter

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You've been calling for a ceasefire how long now?
It's done JACK SHIT!
You would think driving down the same street and hitting that same pothole 5 or 6 times, you would avoid it on the 7th and so on, no?
But in your case, who cares about the car as long as you get to where you are.
How many elections have you declared that the conservatives are going beat Trudeau now?
 
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GAZA GENOCIDE: BRITISH JOURNAL "LANCET" BODY COUNT: 186,000 OR EVEN MORE.

Biden mutters lies about "de-escalation" while keeping the bombs-supply-line well primed.

Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential
Published:July 05, 2024DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(24)01169-3





By June 19, 2024, 37 396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
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The Ministry's figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services,
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the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry,
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which found claims of data fabrication implausible.
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Collecting data is becoming increasingly difficult for the Gaza Health Ministry due to the destruction of much of the infrastructure.
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The Ministry has had to augment its usual reporting, based on people dying in its hospitals or brought in dead, with information from reliable media sources and first responders. This change has inevitably degraded the detailed data recorded previously. Consequently, the Gaza Health Ministry now reports separately the number of unidentified bodies among the total death toll. As of May 10, 2024, 30% of the 35 091 deaths were unidentified.
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Some officials and news agencies have used this development, designed to improve data quality, to undermine the veracity of the data. However, the number of reported deaths is likely an underestimate. The non-governmental organisation Airwars undertakes detailed assessments of incidents in the Gaza Strip and often finds that not all names of identifiable victims are included in the Ministry's list.
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Furthermore, the UN estimates that, by Feb 29, 2024, 35% of buildings in the Gaza Strip had been destroyed,
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so the number of bodies still buried in the rubble is likely substantial, with estimates of more than 10 000.
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Armed conflicts have indirect health implications beyond the direct harm from violence. Even if the conflict ends immediately, there will continue to be many indirect deaths in the coming months and years from causes such as reproductive, communicable, and non-communicable diseases. The total death toll is expected to be large given the intensity of this conflict; destroyed health-care infrastructure; severe shortages of food, water, and shelter; the population's inability to flee to safe places; and the loss of funding to UNRWA, one of the very few humanitarian organisations still active in the Gaza Strip.
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In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death
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to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024.
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An immediate and urgent ceasefire in the Gaza Strip is essential, accompanied by measures to enable the distribution of medical supplies, food, clean water, and other resources for basic human needs. At the same time, there is a need to record the scale and nature of suffering in this conflict. Documenting the true scale is crucial for ensuring historical accountability and acknowledging the full cost of the war. It is also a legal requirement. The interim measures set out by the International Court of Justice in January, 2024, require Israel to “take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of … the Genocide Convention”.
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The Gaza Health Ministry is the only organisation counting the dead. Furthermore, these data will be crucial for post-war recovery, restoring infrastructure, and planning humanitarian aid.
MM is a member of the editorial board of the Israel Journal of Health Policy Research and of the International Advisory Committee of the Israel National Institute for Health Policy Research. MM was co-chair of the Institute's 2016 6th International Jerusalem Conference on Health Policy, but writes in a personal capacity. He also collaborates with researchers in Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon. RK and SY declare no competing interests. The authors would like to acknowledge study team members Shofiqul Islam and Safa Noreen for their contribution to collecting and managing the data for this Correspondence.
Editorial note: The Lancet Group takes a neutral position with respect to territorial claims in published text and institutional affiliations.
This online publication has been corrected. The corrected version first appeared at thelancet.com on July 10, 2024
 

shack

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You call for the genocide of Jews in Israel because you've admitted that:

1)You hate Zionists
2)You believe that all of the Jews in Israel are Zionists.
 

shack

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Frankfooter said:
Easy.
Ceasefire and end the genocide.



The UN said to release the hostages unconditionally. Why are you putting on conditions?

You are shitting in the face of what the UN says. You have no right to mention the UN again.
 

shack

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How many elections have you declared that the conservatives are going beat Trudeau now?
How many times have you said sanctions are going to cripple Israel?
How many times have you said Israel is a pariah state?
How many times have you said that the US will stop supporting Israel?
How many times have you said that AIPAC will be outlawed?
 

shack

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Say it how the UN says it.
How can you quote the UN when you support Hamas defying them? Return the hostages immediately and unconditionally. Say it how the UN says it.

Thanks for admitting you're a hypocrite.
 

shack

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We are less than 3 months from the first anniversary of Oct 7.
And the world supports Israel's efforts to eradicate terrorism.

That's why in 9 months the world has made no effort to stop Israel.
 
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shack

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GAZA GENOCIDE: BRITISH JOURNAL "LANCET"

Published:July 05, 2024DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(24)01169-3
You left out the part that says that what they published was simply a, and I quote, correspondence from the authors, who are clearly biased. Calling it a genocide, when the UN has made no such declaration, is proof of that. As well, if you read what they wrote they never assessed blame to Israel. It is simply a number, flawed as it may be.

They are a peer-review publication. They did not do a peer-review assessment of the opinion piece, not has any other publication. That is because it is trash.
 
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whynot888

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How many elections have you declared that the conservatives are going beat Trudeau now?
Blah blah blah blah...How many more deaths until your stubborn ass admits, releasing the hostages is the only option before a ceasefire happens?
 
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