Convicted terrorist who is in charge of Israeli security.
vs students protesting his genocide.
vs students protesting his genocide.
Israel at war
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Zionist. No shame. No integrity. Nothing but grifters
Seems like a good idea to ban Chinese propaganda machine that is aimed at dividing and pitting western population against each other much like Russians did with Facebook in 2016
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Then you might as well ban the social media platforms run by right wing extremists as well.
How come there are so many more Jews at the Palestine protests than the zionist protests?
Even white supremacists can get a bigger crowd than zionists now.
Of course Yemen still wins.
This is completely consistent with everything I know about Ziontologists.
Another cabinet minister in an accident….stress getting to them?
Are you under the impression Israel is stopping?
I thought you believed this has been going on for 75 years?
Why don't you believe Trump and the Republicans when they say they think Biden is too soft in his support of Israel?
Why don't you believe the Israeli government when they say Biden isn't supportive enough and Trump will be better?
Even if you think Trump will suddenly abandon Bibi, why do you think the party that is actively campaigning on being more strongly pro-Israel and anti-Palestenian winning the election will be a signal to the US government that it should stop being so pro-Israel?
And the question is, as always, "How much of the US population supports this"?
That answer has often been a number I don't like.
It's an interesting analogy to make.
I appreciate he admits he is forcing some things to make it fit - not everyone would do that.
As I said in the other thread, the threat of police violence is a real one.
The "People protested the vietnam war and got Nixon who escalated the war" is also a parallel about the unintended consequences worth reminding people of.
The campus protests are tougher to match up, of course - the Vietnam protests in 68 were at a different place than the campus protests now. The fact it isn't a war sending US troops to via draft can't be discounted.
But still, people are making the 68-2024 analogies for a reason and they aren't crazy to do so.
Israel will stop the genocide, yes, but of course they won't stop the settler colonialism until outside pressure forces them.
2021, 2018, 2014, 2012, 2011, IIRC, all those attacks on Gaza stopped eventually. The longest being the Great March of Return, but that was only a weekly protest that lasted nearly a year. About 200 died and 14,000 or so injured, but it wasn't near what this was. This one is by far the most serious and deadly, and its only because Netanyahu is pressured and Biden is allowing it to happen. Previously Netanyahu knew when to stop before global outrage was too much, as when the 2021 protests became a PLM movement.
All Israeli attacks eventually stop.
The bigger problem is how to end the Negroponte doctrine and allow the UN, ICC and ICJ to finally take place and even more importantly, for the grassroots support for BDS to do what it did to South African Apartheid.
Will Netanyahu still be in power to try another attack in the next 4 years with an orange POTUS? That's unclear. He's incredibly unpopular but Netanyahu has survived other political challenges. Would he try this again? Unlikely. If he did would rump back him, probably. But will rump live through another 4 years in office? Also unlikely.
Will the dems change if Biden loses? Very likely. The wave against AIPAC is real and losing will look massive.
Your option is to put Biden back in, watch him protect Netanyahu as the ICC and ICJ try to rule and the US vetos those actions and blocks all UNSC resolutions, allowing the issue fester in the background for another 4 years until Ben Gvir or whoever leads next tries something much worse.
Do you really see that as better?
Do you have an alternate storyline that looks more plausible and has a better outcome?
Maybe comparing this attack on Gaza to the Tet Offensive is closer.
The whole TikTok bill is more complicated than I want to get into right now.
I'm just curious if this is the argument that people actually believe - that TikTok is being banned because Israel demanded it.
Why do you think they passed it right now?
Congress accused of using TikTok ban to silence Israel criticism
Over the weekend, the House of Representatives passed legislation that seeks to bar TikTok from operating in the U.S. if it does not divest from its Chinese parent-company, ByteDance.
www.newsweek.com
So if they all stop eventually, only to restart again, what does throwing Biden out accomplish for you, exactly?
Which voting Biden out accomplishes how?
So your strategy is to have Biden lose - hope that for the Dems this gets internalized as "He lost because of being too pro-Israel", then hope that in 4 years that is a sufficiently important cause that the Dems run on an pro-Palestine position and win?
This will "teach the Dems a lesson", presumably?
But you want the issue to fester.
You just said so.
You want to put the more pro-Israel party in, guaranteeing that the issue festers more and that eventual pressure makes the Dems support Palestine.
In fact, if Ben Gvir or whoever doesn't do something much worse, your whole plan falls apart.
Do I think Biden and the Dems in charge is a better outcome for the middle east than Trump and the GOP?
Yes.
Eh.
I can see an argument for that, but it's kind of thin.
The US was 4 years into having troops on the ground by then, no?
Still, there was a spike in outrage after.
I could see an actual Rafah ground assault being a reasonable analogy.
Because they got enough votes in the current environment.Why do you think they passed it right now?
Congress accused of using TikTok ban to silence Israel criticism
Over the weekend, the House of Representatives passed legislation that seeks to bar TikTok from operating in the U.S. if it does not divest from its Chinese parent-company, ByteDance.
But sure, some people on TikTok are saying it is because of Israel - so that must be true.
Well, if I hear more from him, I might end up agreeing.
He didn't embarrass himself here, so that's something.
