Israel at war
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By his definitions people in clearly Red or Blue states shouldn't vote for the opposing party either because they have no chance.So explain it. Is it more genocide of an ongoing genocide? So more people will die, which they already are. Yes we know. Things can always be much worse. But that is like saying the Holocaust could have been much worse. It doesn't make much sense.
That is an outright lie. We are talking about Biden and Trump and the differences between them. Where did I say the US does not have any influence on Israeli policy? My criticism is precisely that, despite having the influence, they don't do anything except enable Israel.
I am extremely interested and I see no tangible impact that works for the Palestinian cause. What I see is unwavering American support for Israel on both sides of the aisle. What do you have to show, that proves I am wrong and you are right? Specifically, what?
No people dont disagree with me. Who is it that is disagreeing with me completely? The moniker "Genocide Joe" exists for a reason. Would Trump have cut off all aid if he was in power? How do we know what he would have done?
If it is their primary concern, then yes. They should.
Okay so what are the others? Specifically what?
I get it! So you admit there is no difference between Biden and Trump as it regards policy towards Palestine and anyone arguing that there is, is a fool. You've made your point.
You can tell yourself that tall tale all you want. But you are not the authority to determine what is an idiotic vote, and what is a smart vote. Voters vote their conscience. You vote your conscience when you vote. By your own definition that would make you an idiotic voter.
Tell me how a pro-Palestinian would "win" voting for Biden. Say something specific, not some lengthy mumbo jumbo.
Even that counts as voting their conscience. Some people like you want to get the best result they can. Some people vote based on what is most important to them. Some people choose to not vote at all. All of that counts as "per conscience". No vote is cast, that is not per one's conscience.
I dont know where you studied math, but a vote for a 3rd party is +1 vote for the candidate you are voting for. And it is a vote that other contesting candidates are not getting.
Sorry, it isn't.
If you had any idea of how the system worked, you'd realize that very vote is a vote per the voters conscience. Even yours, where you think you are voting to ensure the lesser of the two evils is in power.
That is either an outright lie or you have problems with reading comprehension. I said the candidate is expressing political opinions. Where did I say the vote is an expression of your opinions?
Right and for some people, the Israel Palestine issue will sway the vote more than others and they will end up voting for a 3rd party.
This entire post of yours was rambling nonsense, with absolutely ZERO substance. And I mean ZERO. You brought nothing to the table via this discussion! You did 3 things:
a) I see you have a tendency to try to twist people's words, misinterpreting them, and gaslighting them in the process. That does not make for productive debate. Stick to what is being said, not your own misinterpretations.
b) You NEVER give any information in your posts that is SPECIFIC to what is being discussed, that can actually support the points you are trying to make. If you say there is a difference between Trump and Biden, then you need to lay out specific policies, UN resolutions they have supported, and what kind of actual impact it has had on Palestinians. You have nothing to show for in your posts.
c) When you lack information that can bolster your argument, you have resorted to "Oh, you don't know blah blah". If you think someone does not know, present evidence. Just pretending to be wise and knowledgeable, while having nothing to show by way of evidence, for claimed wisdom is just a whole lot of hot air.
You are not even pretending to debate at this point. You are just wasting my time making me respond to lengthy posts with no substance. Disappointing to say the least as I was actually looking for productive debate.
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You said Israel should show no quarter.
Yes, you claimed later that it was because Hamas has declared no quarter (or that both sides have) .
You also claimed it is impossible to commit war crimes against Hamas and also at some point that Hamas doesn't value their own lives so no quarter is appropriate.
The fact that you now are saying war crimes don't exist is just you tripling down.
Its not a "claim". What I clearly said was I don't believe there will be a one state solution, or a two state solution, just a winner and a loser.
And both sides have clearly taken a no quarter stance. It's stupid not to see it, or gaslighting to try to say otherwise.
Hamas doesn't value ANY LIVES above their belief system. Also quite clear.
I never said war crimes don't exist. Again changing words. I said no war has ever been fought without them, so to try to claim some moral high ground by any side in a war is ridiculous. Any civilian death is automatically a war crime.
When all these arm chair generals and judges come in with war crime accusations against the Houthis, Saudis, Syrians, and any of what, probably a half a dozen wars in Africa right now, with the same vigor as Israel, then maybe I could take them seriously.
Nice try you failed again.
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If repeating back your logic chain to you is a cognitive deterioration look in the mirror.
Are you trying to argue that war crimes are serious or that they should be ignored?
You know what's coming from the ICJ and the ICC and still appear to be supporting those complicit.
