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Robert Mugabe

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Did they?
Did they end the occupation and establish the two state solution?

Or did Netanyahu just use it to stall and put more 'facts on the ground'?
Palestinian Authority and peace negotiations
Further information: Palestinian views on the peace process § Yasser Arafat and the PLO
Oslo Accords
Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Arafat during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993Arafat, Shimon Peres and Rabin receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords, 10 December 1994
In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords.[70][100] The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule. Authority over the various fields of rule, including education and culture, social welfare, direct taxation and tourism, would be transferred to the Palestinian interim government. Both parties agreed also on forming a committee that would establish cooperation and coordination dealing with specific economic sectors, including utilities, industry, trade and communication.[101]

Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO.[102] The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres.[103] The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected also by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.[104]

Establishing authority in the territories
In accordance with the terms of the Oslo agreement, Arafat was required to implement PLO authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He insisted that financial support was imperative to establishing this authority and needed it to secure the acceptance of the agreements by the Palestinians living in those areas. However, Arab states of the Persian Gulf—Arafat's usual source for financial backing—still refused to provide him and the PLO with any major donations for siding with Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.[104] Ahmed Qurei—a key Fatah negotiator during the negotiations in Oslo—publicly announced that the PLO was bankrupt.[105]

In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]

Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
 

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Keep chanting BS...Hamas proved on Oct 7 they are terrorists and will serve one purpose....remove the Jews...at the expense of the palestinians...
Israel proved they are terrorists on Oct 8, committing genocide after wiping Palestine off the maps.
So you back terrorists committing genocide.

How are you any better than Hamas?

 

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Palestinian Authority and peace negotiations
Further information: Palestinian views on the peace process § Yasser Arafat and the PLO
Oslo Accords
Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Arafat during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993Arafat, Shimon Peres and Rabin receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords, 10 December 1994
In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords.[70][100] The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule. Authority over the various fields of rule, including education and culture, social welfare, direct taxation and tourism, would be transferred to the Palestinian interim government. Both parties agreed also on forming a committee that would establish cooperation and coordination dealing with specific economic sectors, including utilities, industry, trade and communication.[101]

Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO.[102] The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres.[103] The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected also by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.[104]

Establishing authority in the territories
In accordance with the terms of the Oslo agreement, Arafat was required to implement PLO authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He insisted that financial support was imperative to establishing this authority and needed it to secure the acceptance of the agreements by the Palestinians living in those areas. However, Arab states of the Persian Gulf—Arafat's usual source for financial backing—still refused to provide him and the PLO with any major donations for siding with Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.[104] Ahmed Qurei—a key Fatah negotiator during the negotiations in Oslo—publicly announced that the PLO was bankrupt.[105]

In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]

Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
Why has Israel refused to end the occupation?
 

Robert Mugabe

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The occupation is 75 years old.
So are some of the hostages. Anyway. The point you are ignoring is that Arafat was given control of Gaza and the West Bank back in 1994. It was his personal enclave. Somehow he managed to fuck that up. Bankrupt the place and died with millions in his own Swiss bank account. So cry me a river to the sea.
 

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So are some of the hostages. Anyway. The point you are ignoring is that Arafat was given control of Gaza and the West Bank back in 1994. It was his personal enclave. Somehow he managed to fuck that up. Bankrupt the place and died with millions in his own Swiss bank account. So cry me a river to the sea.
Control of territory under military occupation.
Yahoo.

Why didn't Israel settle for the two state solution when it was possible?
 
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at the ICJ

‘Israel has defied court by trapping, besieging and bombarding overcrowded Rafah’

Professor Max du Plessis has now taken the floor.
Here are his opening remarks:

Professor Max du Plessis says continuing Israeli attacks on Rafah, the area it previously ordered civilians to evacuate to, clearly indicate “genocidal intent”.

The fact that Israel pushed more than one million Palestinians into Rafah and then carried out a “full-scale bombardment” of the province, all while sealing it off from aid and exposing it to famine, he said, is evidence of this intent.

This shows that Israel’s use of evacuation zones are “purely performative”, only further “endangering” Palestinian life, du Plessis added.

“Rafah as a place of refuge or place of safety remains a cruel distortion.”

On May 7, he says, just 15 hours after evacuation orders were issued, Israel commenced “a severe and sustained military assault on Rafah, which is ongoing”.

The assault has killed and injured Palestinians he says, adding they have also destroyed “makeshift homes and the remaining infrastructure necessary to sustain life in Gaza, including all aid and medical infrastructure in its path”.

“Israel deliberately attacked the very shelters to which it directed Palestinians to flee,” he says.

“Palestinian families in Gaza are left to make an impossible choice,” he said. “Either they stay trapped and likely killed alongside their loved ones in Rafah or they head out into the few bits of remaining land in Gaza, now filling up with tents and shacks”

He says Israel’s seizure of land crossings has further deprived Palestinians of aid.

 
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So are some of the hostages. Anyway. The point you are ignoring is that Arafat was given control of Gaza and the West Bank back in 1994. It was his personal enclave. Somehow he managed to fuck that up. Bankrupt the place and died with millions in his own Swiss bank account. So cry me a river to the sea.
Poor education
 

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Israel proved they are terrorists on Oct 8, committing genocide after wiping Palestine off the maps.
So you back terrorists committing genocide.

How are you any better than Hamas?

Dumbest post of the day...Terrorism happened on Oct 7....War started Oct 8....facts...you're just dumb. Gaza and West Bank (Palestine) aren't wiped off the maps...they're just in ruins because of war... You won't even put Hamas in the picture because of your support for their terrorism....and hate for Jews and israel...
 
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No. Israel has committed terrorism against Palestinians since 1948. October 7 was retaliatory terrorism for which Israel retaliated with MORE terrorism AND genocide. And therefore, there will even more retaliatory terrorism against Israel, if a long term 2 state solution isn't worked out.
Wrong again...Israel establishing a state isn't terrorism...had the Arabs in the area also established their state, you would've had the 2 state you were crying about...but the Arabs didn't want their own state...they just want no Jewish state... kinda anti semetic if you ask me....You're too salty about the partition resolution and just throw "terrorism" in every argument... but let's keep the debate going...I like winning.
 
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Israel establishing a state is settler colonialism. It is not antisemitic to refuse foreigners invading your land. That is some entitled bullshit right there to think that you deserve someone else's land. Oh and given you know nothing about Israel or its history, I wouldn't call it winning. I teach you some history everytime we talk.

But this is digression and that is not what am referring to.

I am referring to the actions of this state against the Palestinians. Subject the Palestinians to extreme oppression, and if they retaliate, massacre them. It is a calculated pogrom to totally and utterly dominate them in an attempt to kill their spirit. It has never worked and therefore Israel has done this in cycles throughout the last 75 years. That is state terrorism.
You really need to dig deeper in the history of the area...not just choose where you want to start....Jews were the receiving end of the violence from Arabs in the Middle East...name Any country in the middle east in fact...until the Jews learn the only way is to establish their own state and fight their way to survival. but you won't do it.... you wouldn't want what you will find out.....yeah...clump up all the jews in a piece of land smaller than Texas and cry apartheid....what a joke.
 

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Dumbest post of the day...Terrorism happened on Oct 7....War started Oct 8....facts...you're just dumb. Gaza and West Bank (Palestine) aren't wiped off the maps...they're just in ruins because of war... You won't even put Hamas in the picture because of your support for their terrorism....and hate for Jews and israel...
Post a map of Palestine, then, rich.
Prove it.

 

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You really need to dig deeper in the history of the area...not just choose where you want to start....Jews were the receiving end of the violence from Arabs in the Middle East...name Any country in the middle east in fact...until the Jews learn the only way is to establish their own state and fight their way to survival. but you won't do it.... you wouldn't want what you will find out.....yeah...clump up all the jews in a piece of land smaller than Texas and cry apartheid....what a joke.
Not correct, rich.
The first terrorism in Palestine was by zionist terrorists, before partition.
Israel was established through terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

 

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Post a map of Palestine, then, rich.
Prove it.

that's a lot of casualties of war...what are Hamas doing to palestinians? left them out in an open war zone....can't even evacuate them...time to own up their mistakes for starting another conflict...
 

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that's a lot of casualties of war...what are Hamas doing to palestinians? left them out in an open war zone....can't even evacuate them...time to own up their mistakes for starting another conflict...
Post a map of Palestine, rich.

Then we can discuss where you think Palestinians in Gaza should go since its a giant concentration camp with 70% of all buildings destroyed.
You really should read the ICJ posts.
 
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