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Sounds like Israel should just end the occupation then so that Palestinians don't need to use violence to resist it.
That 75 year occupation and wiping Palestine off the maps isn't really working that well, is it?
How about ending apartheid and the occupation before any of this happened?
Instead you get this.
Did they?
Did they end the occupation and establish the two state solution?
Or did Netanyahu just use it to stall and put more 'facts on the ground'?
Keep chanting BS...Hamas proved on Oct 7 they are terrorists and will serve one purpose....remove the Jews...at the expense of the palestinians...
Palestinian Authority and peace negotiations
Further information: Palestinian views on the peace process § Yasser Arafat and the PLO
Oslo Accords
Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Arafat during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993_-_THE_NOBEL_PEACE_PRIZE_LAUREATES_FOR_1994_IN_OSLO..jpg)
Arafat, Shimon Peres and Rabin receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords, 10 December 1994In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords.[70][100] The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule. Authority over the various fields of rule, including education and culture, social welfare, direct taxation and tourism, would be transferred to the Palestinian interim government. Both parties agreed also on forming a committee that would establish cooperation and coordination dealing with specific economic sectors, including utilities, industry, trade and communication.[101]
Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO.[102] The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres.[103] The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected also by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.[104]
Establishing authority in the territories
In accordance with the terms of the Oslo agreement, Arafat was required to implement PLO authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He insisted that financial support was imperative to establishing this authority and needed it to secure the acceptance of the agreements by the Palestinians living in those areas. However, Arab states of the Persian Gulf—Arafat's usual source for financial backing—still refused to provide him and the PLO with any major donations for siding with Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.[104] Ahmed Qurei—a key Fatah negotiator during the negotiations in Oslo—publicly announced that the PLO was bankrupt.[105]
In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]
Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
Israel proved they are terrorists on Oct 8, committing genocide after wiping Palestine off the maps.
So you back terrorists committing genocide.
How are you any better than Hamas?
Updates: ICJ hears S Africa request over Israeli assault on Gaza’s Rafah
These were the updates on the first day of the ICJ hearings for Thursday, May 16, 2024.
Why has Israel refused to end the occupation?Palestinian Authority and peace negotiations
Further information: Palestinian views on the peace process § Yasser Arafat and the PLO
Oslo Accords
Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Arafat during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993
Arafat, Shimon Peres and Rabin receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords, 10 December 1994
In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords.[70][100] The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule. Authority over the various fields of rule, including education and culture, social welfare, direct taxation and tourism, would be transferred to the Palestinian interim government. Both parties agreed also on forming a committee that would establish cooperation and coordination dealing with specific economic sectors, including utilities, industry, trade and communication.[101]
Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO.[102] The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres.[103] The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected also by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.[104]
Establishing authority in the territories
In accordance with the terms of the Oslo agreement, Arafat was required to implement PLO authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He insisted that financial support was imperative to establishing this authority and needed it to secure the acceptance of the agreements by the Palestinians living in those areas. However, Arab states of the Persian Gulf—Arafat's usual source for financial backing—still refused to provide him and the PLO with any major donations for siding with Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.[104] Ahmed Qurei—a key Fatah negotiator during the negotiations in Oslo—publicly announced that the PLO was bankrupt.[105]
In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]
Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
So are some of the hostages. Anyway. The point you are ignoring is that Arafat was given control of Gaza and the West Bank back in 1994. It was his personal enclave. Somehow he managed to fuck that up. Bankrupt the place and died with millions in his own Swiss bank account. So cry me a river to the sea.
Control of territory under military occupation.
Yahoo.
Why didn't Israel settle for the two state solution when it was possible?
at the ICJ
‘Israel has defied court by trapping, besieging and bombarding overcrowded Rafah’
Professor Max du Plessis has now taken the floor.
Here are his opening remarks:
The fact that Israel pushed more than one million Palestinians into Rafah and then carried out a “full-scale bombardment” of the province, all while sealing it off from aid and exposing it to famine, he said, is evidence of this intent.
This shows that Israel’s use of evacuation zones are “purely performative”, only further “endangering” Palestinian life, du Plessis added.
“Rafah as a place of refuge or place of safety remains a cruel distortion.”
On May 7, he says, just 15 hours after evacuation orders were issued, Israel commenced “a severe and sustained military assault on Rafah, which is ongoing”.
The assault has killed and injured Palestinians he says, adding they have also destroyed “makeshift homes and the remaining infrastructure necessary to sustain life in Gaza, including all aid and medical infrastructure in its path”.
“Israel deliberately attacked the very shelters to which it directed Palestinians to flee,” he says.
“Palestinian families in Gaza are left to make an impossible choice,” he said. “Either they stay trapped and likely killed alongside their loved ones in Rafah or they head out into the few bits of remaining land in Gaza, now filling up with tents and shacks”
He says Israel’s seizure of land crossings has further deprived Palestinians of aid.
‘Israel has defied court by trapping, besieging and bombarding overcrowded Rafah’
Professor Max du Plessis has now taken the floor.
Here are his opening remarks:
- My task is to address this court on the new facts and the grave changes in the situation in Rafah that is fast leading to the deadliest phase of this ongoing genocide.
- Those are the circumstances that compel South Africa to return to the court to seek urgent further or modified provisional measures against Israel.
- Judges of this court have recognised that the underlying reason for the court’s January and March orders was that the very right of existence of the Palestinian population in Gaza is currently at risk of irreparable prejudice and that the only effective way of preserving the right of existence of the protected group is through the function of prevention.
- South Africa seeks these provisional measures before it’s too late for prevention to be possible, let alone effective.
- This court noted that the situation in Rafah was already perilous in its decision of February 16.
- And instead of complying with this court’s decisions of January, February and March, Israel has defied this court by trapping, besieging and bombarding an overcrowded Rafah, exacerbating the security and the safety of 1.5 million highly vulnerable Palestinians.
- No one in Gaza is safe because, as the United Nations has repeatedly made it clear: Nowhere in Gaza is safe.
The fact that Israel pushed more than one million Palestinians into Rafah and then carried out a “full-scale bombardment” of the province, all while sealing it off from aid and exposing it to famine, he said, is evidence of this intent.
This shows that Israel’s use of evacuation zones are “purely performative”, only further “endangering” Palestinian life, du Plessis added.
“Rafah as a place of refuge or place of safety remains a cruel distortion.”
On May 7, he says, just 15 hours after evacuation orders were issued, Israel commenced “a severe and sustained military assault on Rafah, which is ongoing”.
The assault has killed and injured Palestinians he says, adding they have also destroyed “makeshift homes and the remaining infrastructure necessary to sustain life in Gaza, including all aid and medical infrastructure in its path”.
“Israel deliberately attacked the very shelters to which it directed Palestinians to flee,” he says.
“Palestinian families in Gaza are left to make an impossible choice,” he said. “Either they stay trapped and likely killed alongside their loved ones in Rafah or they head out into the few bits of remaining land in Gaza, now filling up with tents and shacks”
He says Israel’s seizure of land crossings has further deprived Palestinians of aid.
- Fears for the Emirati hospital are particularly acute. This is one of the last partially functioning maternity hospitals in the whole of Gaza which was until recently handling almost half of Gaza’s daily total of 180 births.
- It has already been forced to stop admitting patients and medics warn that without a doubt every single one of the 45 babies in the neonatal intensive care unit and the special intensive care unit will day if the hospital is occupied.
- And then on May 13, medical staff at the Kuwaiti received an evacuation order from Israeli forces. As one of the last remaining hospitals in Rafah, it had only around 16 beds available for the more than one million people sheltering in Rafah. Its closure will mean the complete collapse of the limping healthcare system in Rafah.
- Israel’s ground incursion into Rafah has been described by the UN as one of the darkest morning in this seven-month nightmare.
- With Rafah’s destruction ongoing as South Africa speaks to this court today, the destruction of Gaza itself will be complete.
- The change in the situation in Gaza and the new facts in Rafah that I have described demand the provisional measures.
- The necessity could not be starker. The magnitude and the gravity of the situation facing the Palestinian people in Gaza is now exemplified in Rafah.
- South Africa has thus been motivated to come urgently to this court to prevent the destruction of the final Palestinian governorate of Gaza with its homes, its hospitals, its schools, its libraries, its businesses, shelters, mosques to which Israel has not yet laid complete waste.
- South Africa has come quickly as possible to the court to ensure that the exhausted Palestinian men women and children who have sought refuge in Rafah are protected from a bloodbath.
Dumbest post of the day...Terrorism happened on Oct 7....War started Oct 8....facts...you're just dumb. Gaza and West Bank (Palestine) aren't wiped off the maps...they're just in ruins because of war... You won't even put Hamas in the picture because of your support for their terrorism....and hate for Jews and israel...Israel proved they are terrorists on Oct 8, committing genocide after wiping Palestine off the maps.
So you back terrorists committing genocide.
How are you any better than Hamas?
Updates: ICJ hears S Africa request over Israeli assault on Gaza’s Rafah
These were the updates on the first day of the ICJ hearings for Thursday, May 16, 2024.www.aljazeera.com
They did and that's why there is an Israel. It was the Arabs who rejected partition.
Wrong again...Israel establishing a state isn't terrorism...had the Arabs in the area also established their state, you would've had the 2 state you were crying about...but the Arabs didn't want their own state...they just want no Jewish state... kinda anti semetic if you ask me....You're too salty about the partition resolution and just throw "terrorism" in every argument... but let's keep the debate going...I like winning.
You really need to dig deeper in the history of the area...not just choose where you want to start....Jews were the receiving end of the violence from Arabs in the Middle East...name Any country in the middle east in fact...until the Jews learn the only way is to establish their own state and fight their way to survival. but you won't do it.... you wouldn't want what you will find out.....yeah...clump up all the jews in a piece of land smaller than Texas and cry apartheid....what a joke.
A consummate buffoon. But that profile is required for rationalizing genocide
