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Frankfooter

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and look at the mess of the projections by IPCC models
The projections have been quite amazing larue.
You keep posting your stupid, oranges vs apples, troposphere chart that uses satellite data that stops in 2012.

This is a proper chart of projections vs measurements.

 

JohnLarue

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Another chart that has been confirmed to be bullshit, larue.
Are you getting so senile that you can't remember the debates here?
you mean, another set of data which you do not like because they prove more and more of the climate change narrative/ propaganda is bullshit

debate? This is not a debate.
A scientific debate requires intelligence and scientific undertanding. You do not qualify


Are you getting so stupid that you can't remember the facts you ignore ?
here are just a few from your ongoing clown show:

FactsFrankfooter
Dr. Judith Curry states the uncertainties in climate change are very significantClaims Dr. Judith Curry has been debunked, is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. Richard Lindzen 200+ papers on atmospheric physics (and IPCC contributor ) states there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. Richard Lindzen is on the payroll of big oil
Anthony Watts points out major flaws with the surface temp data record including the urban island heat effectClaims Anthony Watts is just a meteorologist , is on the payroll of big oil
Michael Mann , Phil Jones are caught exchanging emails about how to diddle the Data. Jones latter admits to sending the emails to hide the data
Claims the emails were illegally accessed, so ignore the facts of the matter
Michael Mann splices together different data sets to "hide the decline" in his hockey stick graph . Macintyre and McKendrick show any data set used in Mann's program produces the same hockey stick
Mann sues Tim Ball for stating Mann should not be in Penn sate , rather belongs in the State Penn
Mann loses the lawsuit & is ordered to pay Tim Balls legal expense. Mann does not pay and Tim Ball dies broke
Pretends the fraudster Michael Mann is a trustworthy climate scientist
Dr. William Happer. , one of the leading scientific experts on radiative energy transfer states , there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. William Happer. is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. John Clauser , winner of 2022 Noble prize in physics states , there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. John Clauser. is not a climate scientist
Gavin Schmidt refuses to engage in scientific debate with Dr. Roy Spencer (Former NASA recipient of achievement winner)Claims Dr. Roy Spencer. is on the payroll of big oil
Pretends Gavin Schmidt is a trustworthy climate scientist
Records of Burn acreage dating back to 1920s are found in the internet wayback program. the records clearly show burn acreage is down significantly in the past 100 yearHas a meltdown because the data was accessed without permission. "You can't use that " ??? WTF ????
Dr John Christy (state certified climatologist ) shows how the climate models are a mess and fail on multiple dimensions. He also shows with verification how the models compare relative to the satellite and weather balloon dataHas a meltdown because he can not figure out what a temperature anomaly is . "You can't use that " ??? WTF ????
Any cold hard fact or informed decision seeking the truth of the matter"You can't use that ", you will expose the climate change propaganda for what it is
Fact and TruthClaim any amount of character assassination and denial of the facts to preserve the propaganda
 
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Frankfooter

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you mean, another set of data which you do not like because they prove more and more of the climate change narrative/ propaganda is bullshit

debate? This is not a debate.
A scientific debate requires intelligence and scientific undertanding. You do not qualify


Are you getting so stupid that you can't remember the facts you ignore ?
here are just a few from your ongoing clown show:

FactsFrankfooter
Dr. Judith Curry states the uncertainties in climate change are very significantClaims Dr. Judith Curry has been debunked, is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. Richard Lindzen 200+ papers on atmospheric physics (and IPCC contributor ) states there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. Richard Lindzen is on the payroll of big oil
Anthony Watts points out major flaws with the surface temp data record including the urban island heat effectClaims Anthony Watts is just a meteorologist , is on the payroll of big oil
Michael Mann , Phil Jones are caught exchanging emails about how to diddle the Data. Jones latter admits to sending the emails to hide the data
Claims the emails were illegally accessed, so ignore the facts of the matter
Michael Mann splices together different data sets to "hide the decline" in his hockey stick graph . Macintyre and McKendrick show any data set used in Mann's program produces the same hockey stick
Mann sues Tim Ball for stating Mann should not be in Penn sate , rather belongs in the State Penn
Mann loses the lawsuit & is ordered to pay Tim Balls legal expense. Mann does not pay and Tim Ball dies broke
Pretends the fraudster Michael Mann is a trustworthy climate scientist
Dr. William Happer. , one of the leading scientific experts on radiative energy transfer states , there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. William Happer. is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. John Clauser , winner of 2022 Noble prize in physics states , there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. John Clauser. is not a climate scientist
Gavin Schmidt refuses to engage in scientific debate with Dr. Roy Spencer (Former NASA recipient of achievement winner)Claims Dr. Roy Spencer. is on the payroll of big oil
Pretends Gavin Schmidt is a trustworthy climate scientist
Records of Burn acreage dating back to 1920s are found in the internet wayback program. the records clearly show burn acreage is down significantly in the past 100 yearHas a meltdown because the data was accessed without permission. "You can use that " ??? WTF ????
Dr John Christy (state certified climatologist ) shows how the climate models are a mess and fail on multiple dimensions. He also shows with verification how the models compare relative to the satellite and weather balloon dataHas a meltdown because he can not figure out what a temperature anomaly is . "You can use that " ??? WTF ????
Any cold hard fact or informed decision seeking the truth of the matter"You can use that ", you will expose the climate change propaganda for what it is
Fact and TruthClaim any amount of character assassination and denial of the facts to preserve the propaganda
larue, so far you posted a chart that did an apples to oranges comparison of surface temperatures to troposphere, and it wasn't even complete, it refused to include satellite data after 2012.

Total failure.

Then you went back and reposted a chart using data that is not sanctioned by the US forestry service, a chart we've gone over endlessly before.

Another failure.

Then you claimed the projections don't match reality, I posted a chart that proves you are wrong there.

Third failure.

You've lost every point here.
 

JohnLarue

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The projections have been quite amazing larue.
You keep posting your stupid, oranges vs apples, troposphere chart that uses satellite data that stops in 2012.

This is a proper chart of projections vs measurements.


too funny, projecting for 2050 >>>> 1.4 degrees +/- , off the chart scale to 0.6

if the uncertainty in a projection is larger than the projected value , then the projected value is nothing more than a wild ass guess

too funny
How many nails will be required to frame this basement?
200 plus 300 or less 70 ??? WTF

or have they just hidden the spaghetti uncertainty with continuous colors

this chart also shows how the uncertainty in the hindcast projections were double the observed
again replicating the past is a bare minimum for any predictive model->>>>>>> Fail
 
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JohnLarue

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You keep posting your stupid, oranges vs apples, troposphere chart that uses satellite data that stops in 2012.
oranges vs apples
if an orange is warmed up by 1 degree c and the apple is warmed up by 1 degree c , they have the same temperature anomaly namely 1 degree c

Questions for you
how do your fraudsters add in sea surface temperature anomalies to come up with a global average?
or do they just ignore 70% of the planet, when discussing a global average?

if you wont allow (like a whinny little girl) atmospheric temp anomalies to be used to study the GHG theory in the atmosphere, how can you allow sea surface temperature anomaly to be used?

2012
the climate models had already been used to generate very scarry & very false propaganda
if you want Dr. John Christy to spend another two years expanding the study, call him up and arrange for the Funding
 

Frankfooter

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too funny, projecting for 2050 >>>> 1.4 degrees +/- , off the chart scale to 0.6

if the uncertainty in a projection is larger than the projected value , then the projected value is nothing more than a wild ass guess

too funny
How many nails will be required to frame this basement?
200 plus 300 or less 70 ??? WTF

or have they just hidden the spaghetti uncertainty with continuous colors

this chart also shows how the uncertainty in the hindcast projections were double the observed
again replicating the past is a bare minimum for any predictive model->>>>>>> Fail
Those projections have been great.
You can't provide any projections that are better, theories that explain what is happening or anything that's not total bullshit.
 

Frankfooter

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oranges vs apples
if an orange is warmed up by 1 degree c and the apple is warmed up by 1 degree c , they have the same temperature anomaly namely 1 degree c
If you turn your furnace up 1ºC in the winter, how much does it warm 2m above your roof?
If the surface is 25ºC and the temp at 5km in the troposphere is 16ºC, how much will the troposphere warm when the surface temperature goes up 2ºC?
 

JohnLarue

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Those projections have been great.
You can't provide any projections that are better, theories that explain what is happening or anything that's not total bullshit.
You mean " Those projections have been great propaganda"

our planets climate is far too complex to predict
it is impossible to model turbulence and cloud formation
real scientist know this

why would I try predicting a dynamic, coupled , non linear chaotic system ?
same answer for why i do not try predicting lotto numbers

now you answer a question

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

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JohnLarue

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you mean, another set of data which you do not like because they prove more and more of the climate change narrative/ propaganda is bullshit

debate? This is not a debate.
A scientific debate requires intelligence and scientific undertanding. You do not qualify


Are you getting so stupid that you can't remember the facts you ignore ?
here are just a few from your ongoing clown show:

FactsFrankfooter
Dr. Judith Curry states the uncertainties in climate change are very significantClaims Dr. Judith Curry has been debunked, is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. Richard Lindzen 200+ papers on atmospheric physics (and IPCC contributor ) states there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. Richard Lindzen is on the payroll of big oil
Anthony Watts points out major flaws with the surface temp data record including the urban island heat effectClaims Anthony Watts is just a meteorologist , is on the payroll of big oil
Michael Mann , Phil Jones are caught exchanging emails about how to diddle the Data. Jones latter admits to sending the emails to hide the data
Claims the emails were illegally accessed, so ignore the facts of the matter
Michael Mann splices together different data sets to "hide the decline" in his hockey stick graph . Macintyre and McKendrick show any data set used in Mann's program produces the same hockey stick
Mann sues Tim Ball for stating Mann should not be in Penn sate , rather belongs in the State Penn
Mann loses the lawsuit & is ordered to pay Tim Balls legal expense. Mann does not pay and Tim Ball dies broke
Pretends the fraudster Michael Mann is a trustworthy climate scientist
Dr. William Happer. , one of the leading scientific experts on radiative energy transfer states , there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. William Happer. is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. John Clauser , winner of 2022 Noble prize in physics states , there is no climate crisisClaims Dr. John Clauser. is not a climate scientist
Gavin Schmidt refuses to engage in scientific debate with Dr. Roy Spencer (Former NASA recipient of achievement winner)Claims Dr. Roy Spencer. is on the payroll of big oil
Pretends Gavin Schmidt is a trustworthy climate scientist
Records of Burn acreage dating back to 1920s are found in the internet wayback program. the records clearly show burn acreage is down significantly in the past 100 yearHas a meltdown because the data was accessed without permission. "You can't use that " ??? WTF ????
Dr John Christy (state certified climatologist ) shows how the climate models are a mess and fail on multiple dimensions. He also shows with verification how the models compare relative to the satellite and weather balloon dataHas a meltdown because he can not figure out what a temperature anomaly is . "You can't use that " ??? WTF ????
Any cold hard fact or informed decision seeking the truth of the matter"You can't use that ", you will expose the climate change propaganda for what it is
Fact and TruthClaim any amount of character assassination and denial of the facts to preserve the propaganda

what's the matter FRankfooter?

You are not usually lost for words

Did you not like having your bullshit liars routine laid out in tabular format for all to see?
if there is such a thing as Karma , you have a lot to answer for
 

Frankfooter

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You mean " Those projections have been great propaganda"

our planets climate is far too complex to predict
it is impossible to model turbulence and cloud formation
We have repeatedly established that this is way too complex for you to understand.
Its at the point where you don't even think there could be people smarter than you who can figure it out.

The projections are accurate, the science is sound, its experimentally been proven and the evidence is everywhere around us.

 

Frankfooter

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what's the matter FRankfooter?

You are not usually lost for words

Did you not like having your bullshit liars routine laid out in tabular format for all to see?
if there is such a thing as Karma , you have a lot to answer for
Are you talking to yourself again, larue?
 

JohnLarue

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We have repeatedly established that this is way too complex for you to understand.
Its at the point where you don't even think there could be people smarter than you who can figure it out.
says the high school drop out lair


The projections are accurate, the science is sound, its experimentally been proven and the evidence is everywhere around us.
Projections are future estimates, they can not be accurate , you blithering moron
Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value.
The true value has not occurred yet for a Projection

You really are a scientific know nothing

The models can not reproduce the past , so no not experimentally been proven
replicating the past is the bare minimum for a predictive model

the evidence is everywhere around us
Really like the fake evidence such as
Polar bears extinction
corral reefs bleaching
'Polar sea ice melting
Forest fires
Maldives Islands are sinking
a temperature reading above zero ......1000 km from the south pole
Greta says so ?

I bet its been years since you ventured north of Finch avenue
yet
" the evidence is everywhere around us"
how often do you see corral reefs bleaching near Kensington Market
notice any sinking islands as you drive to the union hall ?
no polar bears in the front row of the union hall, gee that must be evidence of catastrophic climate change

More bullshit from you

Try reading

Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom Hardcover – May 24 2021
by Patrick Moore (Author)
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now you answer a question

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

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Frankfooter

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says the high school drop out lair
Why would you post such a stupid insult, larue?


Projections are future estimates, they can not be accurate , you blithering moron
Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value.
Another fail, there are 20 years of projections you can check against reality.
 

JohnLarue

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We have repeatedly established that this is way too complex for you to understand.
We ??
Who else beside you is making such a ridiculous claim ?
no one

you are a high school drop out , with no scientific understanding
fuzzy math is way too complex for you
tempter anomalies are way too complex for you
electromagnetic absorption is way too complex for you
 

JohnLarue

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If you turn your furnace up 1ºC in the winter, how much does it warm 2m above your roof?
the temperature anomaly of the furnace is 1 degree c
the temperature change (anomaly)of the roof will be what ever the change in measurement is
could be -2 degree c if is cold outside, could be +3 degree c if the sun is shinning

If the surface is 25ºC and the temp at 5km in the troposphere is 16ºC, how much will the troposphere warm when the surface temperature goes up 2ºC?
odd how the GHG theory indicates its the atmospheric Co2 in the atmosphere that is causing the atmosphere and the surface to warm up

a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas

you are just not very bright
 

Frankfooter

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We ??
Who else beside you is making such a ridiculous claim ?
no one

you are a high school drop out , with no scientific understanding
fuzzy math is way too complex for you
tempter anomalies are way too complex for you
electromagnetic absorption is way too complex for you
You've admitted you can't read and understand IPCC reports, larue.
You should not be in this debate.
All you push is debunked bullshit, but you're not even smart enough to see why the crap you post is bullshit.

You are way behind the times.
 
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