Israel is not at war with Qatar. But, go ahead, run with your insipid fealty to the terrified ethno supremacist Israel. It needs your apparent willingness to dumb down at a moment’s notice.
Israel at war
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How long before you're calling to shut down the cbc?
Another peaceful end to student protests.
BDS for the win.
BDS for the win.
Fantastic news. A victory for universal human rights.
Massive protests against Netanyahu refusing to sign a ceasefire agreement that would return the hostages.
How would they have more freedom?
Israelis would still control the borders, walls and access.
They'd have the same amount of freedom within those walls but even less outside if they are foreigners.
B'tselem has detailed reports on the present apartheid wall (ordered torn down by the ICJ) and control of movement.
The ceasefire talks are on hold.
Hamas will only agree to a ceasefire to end the violence and Israel only wants a 40 day window to return hostages.
The borders of the bantustans?
I'm curious how you think that would work or be different.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never called them "lesser humans". That was you. I've only denigrated Hamas and have never once called them vermin like you disgustingly try to say that I do. You constantly lie. There are at least 5 lies in this one post. And you have the nerve to call me nasty.
Of course they are full humans and allowed full human rights.
Like the right to have free and full elections in Gaza like they have NOT had for almost 20 years.
The right to speak out against their own government, Hamas, without fear of retaliation or reprisals.
The right to not be used as sacrificial lambs by Hamas.
The right to receive international aid intended for them without it being stolen by Hamas and then being sold back to them or for the aid to be used to buy weapons and build tunnels.
They have the right to not be thrust into a war that they never had a chance of winning but only to be used as pawns for PR purposes.
Why does Hamas deprive them of these basic rights?
The right of self-defense does not include the right to attack, rape and kill 1,200 peaceful civilians as Hamas did on Oct.7
A basic human right does not include the right to become Israeli citizens or vote in Israeli elections. As a sovereign nation, Israel has the right to decide who is entitled to become a citizen, just like every other sovereign nation in the world.
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Just to follow up since as the community notes points out, that tweet is misleading, this is what was actually agreed to.
Oh yeah…things are going well for the New South Africa
Great news. A victory for the cause of universal human rights. Full transparency
Like I said earlier, how you view this may vary depending on what you think the point of the protests were.
Transparency on investments and an agreement to publish a report on what can or can't be done to change those investments in winter 2025 may not be seen by some as a victory.
Ok, you have declared Palestinians are allowed full human rights.
The right to self determination
The right to self defence
The right of return
Now you need to explain why you back
The right to self defence doesn't include any rights to attack civilians, but it does include the right to attack IDF. So your Oct 7 count has to remove all IDF killed on that day as within Palestinian rights. That brings the total down to about 600 civilians and we still don't know how many were killed by Israel's Hannibal Doctrine, likely about half.
Israel has no right to occupy Palestine.
Israel has no right to rule through apartheid.
Israel has no right to colonize Palestine through 'settlements'.
All of those are war crimes.
Israel is also legally bound to be responsible for the welfare of all those they occupy, including Hamas and all Palestinians in Gaza.
But it sounds like you are suggesting they negotiate for permanent misery instead of perpetual.
In 2007 Israeli PM Olmert issued this warning:
In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Ehud Olmert said Israel was "finished" if it forced the Palestinians into a struggle for equal rights.If the two-state solution collapsed, he said, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished". Israel's supporters abroad would quickly turn against such a state, he said."The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," he said.
Those reports have come out and Israel has worked incredibly hard to keep them out of the mainstream. Add in charges at the ICJ and ICC and Israel becomes a pariah state. Already they've lost about half their support of US Jews and the support of most Americans and Canadians. Governments can't continue to be backing an apartheid state in trial for genocide.
For Palestinians this means not fighting for slightly better bantustans it means fighting for the end of zionism and its rule in Israel.
That is now coming.
The devil is in the details. For example, no normal person would agree that self-defense means murdering 1,200 innocent civilians in a surprise terrorist attack.
Or that self-determination means voting in the elections of a country of which you are not a citizen.
Why do you back terrorism.
Why do you back denying your citizens free and fair elections.
Why do you back using human shields.
Why do you back executing people because of their sexual preferences.
Why do you back taking infants as hostages and then you back defying UN, ICC, ICJ orders to return those hostages immediately and unconditionally.
