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Good point. I guessed wildly.

So if Northrup was standing in front of the car, it would have impacted him at about 5??? mph, given him a nasty bruise on the shin and thrown him up on the hood.

Those cops must have been very dumb indeed to fly that fake evidence.
Officer Northrup was NEVER in front of the car! NEVER!!

He had no injuries remotely consistent with being struck while standing.

This is how the police lies, told first, take hold. Then it takes hundreds of exchange to get even a smart lawyer like you to come around to accepting the dozens of posts that the police's own Sargeant forensic acccident investigator said so! At both the bail hearing and the trial. And the bail judge and trial judge said so too! And the photos of the car show that the front bumper or thin lightweight aluminium hood of car did not so much as hit a bumble bee. Least of all a 6'3" 300 lb man.

From the very outset my friend, you allowed yourself to be convinced by the police lies. Right from the initial statement from the Chief that night that it was an intentional murder. All lies.
 

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Good point. I guessed wildly.

So if Northrup was standing in front of the car, it would have impacted him at about 5??? mph, given him a nasty bruise on the shin and thrown him up on the hood.

Those cops must have been very dumb indeed to fly that fake evidence.
Officer Northrup was NEVER in front of the car! NEVER!!

He had no injuries remotely consistent with being struck while standing.

This is how the police lies, told first, take hold. Then it takes hundreds of exchange to get even a smart lawyer like you to come around to accepting the dozens of posts that the police's own Sargeant forensic acccident investigator said so! At both the bail hearing and the trial. And the bail judge and trial judge said so too! And the photos of the car show that the front bumper or thin lightweight aluminium hood of car did not so much as hit a bumble bee. Least of all a 6'3" 300 lb man.

From the very outset my friend, you allowed yourself to be convinced by the police lies. Right from the initial statement from the Chief that night that it was an intentional murder. All lies.
They were using hollywood logic.
 

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Officer Northrup was NEVER in front of the car! NEVER!!

He had no injuries remotely consistent with being struck while standing.

This is how the police lies, told first, take hold. Then it takes hundreds of exchange to get even a smart lawyer like you to come around to accepting the dozens of posts that the police's own Sargeant forensic acccident investigator said so! At both the bail hearing and the trial. And the bail judge and trial judge said so too! And the photos of the car show that the front bumper or thin lightweight aluminium hood of car did not so much as hit a bumble bee. Least of all a 6'3" 300 lb man.

From the very outset my friend, you allowed yourself to be convinced by the police lies. Right from the initial statement from the Chief that night that it was an intentional murder. All lies.
Well..........

Bearing in mind that the accident report evidence only took place near the end of the trial........ ????
 

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There is one good thing that came out of this tragedy--a dumb, stupid
and inept cop was taken out though at the expense of an innocent
man and his family. Umar Zameer might have preemptively averted
cases of harassment of innocent minority bystanders by a white bully
cop in plain clothes.
 
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SchlongConery

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Well..........

Bearing in mind that the accident report evidence only took place near the end of the trial........ ????

Sorry but nope.

The Crown entered his own Police Sargeant collision expert witness as examination in chief.In the first third of the trial.

Why are you so invested in trying to explain away everything that the judges (plural) and jury concluded?

For that matter, is it not obvious to you, or any person's eye that a 300 lb police officer did not impact the hood of the car?

Could you continue to argue this in court with a straight face?
 
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It's disgusting that TPS is braining washing the cops wife to believe that there should have been a guilty verdict.

Their statements at the end of the trial was sickening to hear.

It's like that sickening Mike McCormack was still the Association president.
 

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Sorry but nope.

The Crown entered his own Police Sargeant collision expert witness as examination in chief.In the first third of the trial.

Why are you so invested in trying to explain away everything that the judges (plural) and jury concluded?

For that matter, is it not obvious to you, or any person's eye that a 300 lb police officer did not impact the hood of the car?

Could you continue to argue this in court with a straight face?
Buddy, I'm not "invested" in anything. I didn't learn about the Crown's own accident report until it was mentioned AFTER the defence accident report was put into evidence towards the end of the trial.

Unlike you, I haven't been following the trial 24/7.
 

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There is one good thing that came out of this tragedy--a dumb, stupid
and inept cop was taken out though at the expense of an innocent
man and his family. Umar Zameer might have preemptively averted
cases of harassment of innocent minority bystanders by a white bully
cop in plain clothes.
Another good thing that came out of this is that you, again, prove yourself to be a dim-witted, hateful fucktard.

There was no evidence that Officer Northrup was a white bully cop.

From all accounts he was a fine, decent cop with a good record that had been in the Station for past decade or so. Probably got soft and so wanted to get back on the street one last time before retiring. So he got an easy assignment to keep an eye out for any possible Canada Day shenanigans.

I think that in light of his long service, nobody felt the need to bring him up to speed on current practices. At worst, he might not have been as competent and proficient as he whuld have been if something like this came up. And it seems that his female partner was not any more competent. I have no respect for her and cut her no slack, nor to the other cops because they obviously lied to protect each other and the reputation of Office Northrup. I fucking hate liars.
 
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Buddy, I'm not "invested" in anything. I didn't learn about the Crown's own accident report until it was mentioned AFTER the defence accident report was put into evidence towards the end of the trial.

Unlike you, I haven't been following the trial 24/7.

Sorry if I came across as hostile.

It was my recollection that you were in on this discussion from the outset and had a strong opinion that the driver deliberately and repeatedly ran into and over the police officer.
 

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Sorry if I came across as hostile.

It was my recollection that you were in on this discussion from the outset and had a strong opinion that the driver deliberately and repeatedly ran into and over the police officer.
That was my initial take before I learned what was in the accident report.

I thought the issue was whether Northrup and his female partner had ID-ed themselves and was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
 
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Civic leaders stoked hatred of Umar Zameer after Toronto police officer’s death: lawyer


The presumption of innocence is one of the pillars of our criminal justice system, he said. "And for politicians to spout off and sentence a man and condemn a man who is presumed innocent without knowing any true details of the case — it is reckless, it is irresponsible.

Canadians deserve and expect more from their elected officials.

Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa, offered a similar sentiment, saying it would be a charitable interpretation to see this as a situation where elected officials spoke out of turn before they had all the facts.

A more cynical interpretation would be that it is a willful manipulation ... a misrepresentation of how bail works for the public audience — in other words, politicizing this issue, Kempa said, also speaking on Metro Morning



Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
After weeks of evidence in court and several tense days of jury deliberations, Umar Zameer is a free man (new window) — and his lawyer isn't mincing words about the politicians who rushed to demonize his client after he initially got bail back in 2021.

Speaking on CBC Radio's Metro Morning on Monday, Hasan lamented the response from politicians like Ontario's premier and Toronto's former mayor who rushed to judgment before any evidence was presented at trial, as well as comments from the police chief on Sunday stating he wished for a different outcome.

Hasan said that back in 2021 when Zameer was initially charged, his office was receiving hate mail, even death threats, for "having the audacity to take on this case.

That hatred had been stoked by elected officials and by the chief of police himself, Hasan said.

James Ramer, who was chief of Toronto police at the time of Zameer's arrest, initially called Northrup's death (new window) an intentional and deliberate act — something the jury rejected over the weekend.

In a responding statement from 2021 posted on X, formerly Twitter, Premier Doug Ford called the court's decision to grant Zameer bail "beyond comprehension.

It's completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail, Ford said — though his initial statement went even further (new window) and called Zameer "the person responsible" for Northrup's death, before walking that back by deleting and reposting with the words "responsible for" swapped for "charged with."

Comments out of line, lawyer says
Former Toronto mayor John Tory, meanwhile, said it was almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail.

Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown also tweeted at the time, saying in part: This is disgusting. It is very disturbing that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail.

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Hasan said Monday that those comments were ignorant, and came from people who should know better.

Kempa said he understands the chief's reaction as an emotional one in the face of a tragic event for everyone involved — but he also said questioning or expressing disappointment in a jury's verdict is troublesome, and can harm public perception of police impartiality.

I don't feel that it is the role of a chief of police or an elected person to basically say that a jury is wrong or that court erred in its legal interpretation of the situation, he said.

Hasan agreed, saying there was a lengthy trial in this case, and jurors heard the evidence and deliberated carefully.

They determined that Mr. Zameer was not guilty because he's not guilty, he said. It is somewhat frustrating and embarrassing that we have a chief of police who cannot accept this reality.
 

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It’s deeply maddening and saddening that the police and crown do not/cannot acknowledge the actual facts and maintain their positions on this, despite being proven by their own experts as liars/colluders. Their comments after the verdict was reached demonstrated that revenge was the main objective, not truth or justice.

The politicians expressing their outrage after the incident , without respecting due process, contributed to this whole mess. The rush to comment outweighs everything else these days. #first!

I’m sure the whole charade had nothing to do with Zameer’s skin colour.

A recent immigrant more trustworthy and truthful than our legal system. Terrible joke on Zameer, but the joke is also on the people of Ontario. We bankrolled that shitshow and should be demonstrating our collective outrage. Heads should roll.
 
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So what's the consensus here, do you all like the TPS now more or less after this case and verdict?

Do you trust them more, less or the same? 😅
 

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Civic leaders stoked hatred of Umar Zameer after Toronto police officer’s death: lawyer


The presumption of innocence is one of the pillars of our criminal justice system, he said. "And for politicians to spout off and sentence a man and condemn a man who is presumed innocent without knowing any true details of the case — it is reckless, it is irresponsible.

Canadians deserve and expect more from their elected officials.

Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa, offered a similar sentiment, saying it would be a charitable interpretation to see this as a situation where elected officials spoke out of turn before they had all the facts.

A more cynical interpretation would be that it is a willful manipulation ... a misrepresentation of how bail works for the public audience — in other words, politicizing this issue, Kempa said, also speaking on Metro Morning



Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
After weeks of evidence in court and several tense days of jury deliberations, Umar Zameer is a free man (new window) — and his lawyer isn't mincing words about the politicians who rushed to demonize his client after he initially got bail back in 2021.

Speaking on CBC Radio's Metro Morning on Monday, Hasan lamented the response from politicians like Ontario's premier and Toronto's former mayor who rushed to judgment before any evidence was presented at trial, as well as comments from the police chief on Sunday stating he wished for a different outcome.

Hasan said that back in 2021 when Zameer was initially charged, his office was receiving hate mail, even death threats, for "having the audacity to take on this case.

That hatred had been stoked by elected officials and by the chief of police himself, Hasan said.

James Ramer, who was chief of Toronto police at the time of Zameer's arrest, initially called Northrup's death (new window) an intentional and deliberate act — something the jury rejected over the weekend.

In a responding statement from 2021 posted on X, formerly Twitter, Premier Doug Ford called the court's decision to grant Zameer bail "beyond comprehension.

It's completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail, Ford said — though his initial statement went even further (new window) and called Zameer "the person responsible" for Northrup's death, before walking that back by deleting and reposting with the words "responsible for" swapped for "charged with."

Comments out of line, lawyer says
Former Toronto mayor John Tory, meanwhile, said it was almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail.

Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown also tweeted at the time, saying in part: This is disgusting. It is very disturbing that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail.

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Hasan said Monday that those comments were ignorant, and came from people who should know better.

Kempa said he understands the chief's reaction as an emotional one in the face of a tragic event for everyone involved — but he also said questioning or expressing disappointment in a jury's verdict is troublesome, and can harm public perception of police impartiality.

I don't feel that it is the role of a chief of police or an elected person to basically say that a jury is wrong or that court erred in its legal interpretation of the situation, he said.

Hasan agreed, saying there was a lengthy trial in this case, and jurors heard the evidence and deliberated carefully.

They determined that Mr. Zameer was not guilty because he's not guilty, he said. It is somewhat frustrating and embarrassing that we have a chief of police who cannot accept this reality.

Finally, Chief Demkiw made a more appropriate statement. I wonder if this was composed by a professional crisis management consultant or written by him, from the heart?

Either way, I respect him for following up and sort of apologizing. Making mistakes is fine. But not admitting to them or digging yourself deeper is inexcusable. As the Three Lymigos are likely going to find out once the OPP investigates their sworn testimony, note making party etc.

Also, I should retract my precious misstatement and clarify that It was not Chief Demkiw that made the original accusatory and prejudicial public statement back in 2021. It was, then-interim Chief Ramer who shot off his mouth. He was in good company with the unrepentant Premier Ford, Mayor Tory and the other political whores who put politics over the presumption of innocence and respect for the Canadian Judicial system.


 
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