It's not CO2 as Climate alarmists claim, it's Nitrogen

[Not getting younger]

If you are talking about doing something about climate change on my own, then I do that already. I consume very little. I take public transport, walk everywhere, do not own or intend to own a car, use rideshare and if needed, I rent a vehicle. I also do not waste food, ever. I save electricity by not turning on the heater during winter, but instead keeping the interior at a constant 70F and windows closed. I also recycle what I can. I think a lot of people do that, but that alone wont help climate change.

lol. Ok

Actually I shouldn’t “lol”. That is likely a lot more than many. However take a walk somewhere in the Credit River valley someday, or visit the headwaters up in Halton hills..then compare to the Don.and even the Humber and Rouge .Duffins in Ajax, or Oshawa creek. That look like chocolate milk most of the time.

and what’s at the bottom..and if you want to talk about the environment and the lifeblood of the planet your shitting and pissing in. and not lifting a hand for..while virtue signaling and telling others….

 

[JohnLarue]

it's obvious that CO2 can't have any major affects on climate since it's concentration in the atmosphere is only 0.04%

it was Nitrogen all along

with almost 80% concentration in the atmosphere, Nitrogen is your climate change culprit

liberal scientists lied yet again

Four reasons why the world needs to limit nitrogen pollution

Nitrogen is crucial to life on Earth, but it can also be a disruptive pollutant.

www.unep.org

from your article

When nitrogen in its active form, such as in fertiliser, is exposed to soil, microbial reactions take place that release nitrous oxide. This gas is 300 times more potent at warming the atmosphere than carbon dioxide. It also remains active in the atmosphere for more than 100 years.

here is the part he left out

microbial reactions take place that release nitrous oxide, have been taking place since word go

atmospheric nitrous oxide is is measured in parts per billion
co2 as you point out is too small to have an impact
no2 is tiny relative to co2


it can only absorb at wavelengths where water vapour (1 to 4 % of the atmosphere) already absorbs all of the available energy
see the diagram below

the 80% of the atmosphere which is nitrogen is N2 and it does not absorb infrared radiation
it is a symmetrical molecule lacking a dipole moment - which is required for IR absorption

these claims of greenhouse gas potential (300 X CO2) are extremely misleading as they
1, do not account for concentration
2, they are based off of laboratory experiments using 100% pure , dry gases

fortunately the truth of the matter is the atmosphere is a complex mixture of gasses and it contains water vapor and lots of it


claiming Nitrogen is your climate change culprit is a kin to claiming pissing into lake Ontario will make the lake wetter

 

[Frankfooter]

So you go off topic by injecting DoFo into a thread about CO2 vs Nitrogen and that's on topic?
You are obsessed and need help.

Off topic.

Answer the question.
Do you believe this is real or not?

 

[Frankfooter]

lol. Ok

Actually I shouldn’t “lol”. That is likely a lot more than many. However take a walk somewhere in the Credit River valley someday, or visit the headwaters up in Halton hills..then compare to the Don.and even the Humber and Rouge .Duffins in Ajax, or Oshawa creek. That look like chocolate milk most of the time.

and what’s at the bottom..and if you want to talk about the environment and the lifeblood of the planet your shitting and pissing in. and not lifting a hand for..while virtue signaling and telling others….

I've walked all of those.

The Don is much cleaner than it used to be, both the valley and the water.
The new wetlands will make the water flowing into the lake even more clean.

Its rural people that use the most energy.
You can't do anything without a car and your energy use is higher and more expensive than city dwellers.

 

[Not getting younger]

Off topic.

Answer the question.
Do you believe this is real or not?

Do you believe this is real. Look at the crystal clear chocolate milk water FFs. They look like this AFTER EVERY rain fall. Don’t believe me? Step away from your keyboard get a finger nail dirty and go for a walk sometime in the next few weeks…

Btw did you clicky 25 years of data…never mind the miles long plumes into Lake O…..or spring melts..

Councillor addresses chemical runoff in two Toronto creeks

A six-alarm fire at an Etobicoke industrial building one week ago led to chemical spillage in Mimico Creek and Humber Creek.

toronto.citynews.ca

Or this check the purple mappy. And this is just one

Humber River

The Humber River is the only Canadian Heritage River in the GTA, and one of only 41 such designated rivers across Canada. Humber River Watershed Plan

trca.ca

Lmao at man made eyesore River having water pumped into it to disguise the piss and shit.

How about simply this. Drink it? Fuck no. But Bambi’s, Thumpers, Wile e and Daffys and Nemos do…

Why You Should Not Swim During or 48 Hours After Heavy Rain

It can be unsafe to swim, even at designated swimming beaches, for 48 hours after a rainfall due to the possible presence of high levels of bacteria that could pose a risk to human health. The bacteria could be a result from water pollution, which is a complex issue and can come from many...

www.toronto.ca

When you step out of your rice paper glass house someday you won’t even lift a hand for.

Let us know.

 

[Not getting younger]

Do you believe snow and ice melts and in different algae’s FFs? Maybe you should learn how to drive, and walk up your driveway to your rice paper thin potty house you won’t life a hand for.

The Great (salt) Lakes? saline pollutants fill Erie, Ontario

The Great Lakes, long one of the largest freshwater sources in the United States, are steadily becoming saltier.Feeding the rising sodium ch

www.csmonitor.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you believe this is real. Look at the crystal clear chocolate milk water FFs. They look like this AFTER EVERY rain fall. Don’t believe me? Step away from your keyboard get a finger nail dirty and go for a walk sometime in the next few weeks…

Btw did you clicky 25 years of data…never mind the miles long plumes into Lake O…..or spring melts..

Councillor addresses chemical runoff in two Toronto creeks

A six-alarm fire at an Etobicoke industrial building one week ago led to chemical spillage in Mimico Creek and Humber Creek.

toronto.citynews.ca

Or this check the purple mappy. And this is just one

Humber River

The Humber River is the only Canadian Heritage River in the GTA, and one of only 41 such designated rivers across Canada. Humber River Watershed Plan

trca.ca

Lmao at man made eyesore River having water pumped into it to disguise the piss and shit.

How about simply this. Drink it? Fuck no.

Why You Should Not Swim During or 48 Hours After Heavy Rain

It can be unsafe to swim, even at designated swimming beaches, for 48 hours after a rainfall due to the possible presence of high levels of bacteria that could pose a risk to human health. The bacteria could be a result from water pollution, which is a complex issue and can come from many...

www.toronto.ca

When you step out of your rice paper glass house someday you won’t even lift a hand for.

Let us know.

You really should read your links before you post them.
The first was about a fire that released chemicals into the Humber.
The second is page that also talks about work to mitigate runoff, similar to the city tax you hate.
The third confirms my note that big storms mean water overflows storm drains and flows into sewage lines.

All of which make the new tax look wise, had you posted this in the Toronto new tax thread.
But instead you posted it in the CO2 thread.

Why?

 

[JohnLarue]

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Oh look! TERB's certified quack scientist talks about climate science.

i assure you what' I have posted is fundamentally sound and based on outstanding physics work done in the late 1800 and early 1900s
you are free to point out any scientific inaccuracies in what I have presented

but alas, your lack of scientific understanding leaves you with no recourse other than the loonie left's go to.... character assassination

run away now

So you mean the environment is polluted? Sure. That is why climate change initiatives are necessary. To clean up the environment, to change policy so that in future such polluting of water and land does not happen etc., What is the disagreement here since you seem to agree there is pollution.

are you really that stunned that you can not differentiate between pollution in the water vs. the trace gas CO2 in the atmosphere?

CO2 is not a pollutant, it is essential for all life on the planet

pollution is a problem,
anthropogenic climate change is a political narrative dominated by false propaganda

 

[JohnLarue]

Do you believe snow and ice melts and in different algae’s FFs? Maybe you should learn how to drive, and walk up your driveway to your rice paper thin potty house you won’t life a hand for.

The Great (salt) Lakes? saline pollutants fill Erie, Ontario

The Great Lakes, long one of the largest freshwater sources in the United States, are steadily becoming saltier.Feeding the rising sodium ch

www.csmonitor.com

where is the worlds largest underground salt deposit?

https://www.shorelinemedia.net/ocea...cle_ae3506c5-528c-5b89-ac78-e0caae85d3b6.html

Beneath the Great Lakes basin is a massive salt deposit which has actually given birth to the largest salt mine in the world, the Goderich Salt Mine. It has been in operation since 1959 and was acquired by the American company Compass Minerals in the year 1990. According to its website, the mine is located “1,800 feet under Lake Huron,” and “is as deep as the CN Tower in Toronto is tall.” The thing is, this is not the only salt mine in operation beneath the Great Lakes area. While the Goderich mine is in Goderich Ontario, there is also the Detroit salt mine located 1,100 feet below Detroit, the Cargill salt mine located 1,700 feet below lake Erie and the Windsor salt mine beneath Ontario.

the author of your article was quick to assign blame to human activity

Feeding the rising sodium chloride levels are industrial waste, winter road salt, and salt used to soften city and home water supplies.

now there could be leaching from salt mining operations. that is possible

but he excluded the possibility of natural leaching from the worlds largest salt deposit..

its often what they do not say

he was also a little vague about providing actual salinity levels and did not quantify the increase he is alarmed about

Lakes Erie and Ontario have the highest salinity readings, while Lake Superior is lowest with only l or 2 milligrams of salt per liter of water.

lets get some perspective
lakes Erie, Ontario & Huron are where the salt deposits are


note: l or 2 milligrams per litre in lake superior

the vast majority of seawater has a salinity of between 31 and 38 g/kg,

or more than 10,000 X what is found in lake superior

a slightly different perspective
how much salt is in bottled spring water ?

Most underground waterways and aquifers where spring water is sourced contain sodium naturally, which inevitably dissolves into the water. Because of this, some of the most popular bottled water brands, like Fiji, Evian, or Perrier, have sodium levels ranging between 10 mg/L to 50 mg/L.

10 to 25 x more than Lake Superior

now some eager beaver politician gets ahold of Lucia Mouat's article, goes all Greta Thrumburg declaring the great lakes are going to become inland seas we are going to die of thirst and the next thing you know road salt is banned
and a whole pile of people get killed in winter driving accidents driving insurance rates up

environmentalism is theoretically a good thing and we defiantly could do a better job of not polluting the environment

however environmentalism as of late has become an irresponsible free for all, targeting humanity as evil
like anything that goes extreme there will be a reconning and push back

and that will not be good for real environmental problems

 

[Not getting younger]

where is the worlds largest underground salt deposit?

https://www.shorelinemedia.net/ocea...cle_ae3506c5-528c-5b89-ac78-e0caae85d3b6.html



the author of your article was quick to assign blame to human activity

now there could be leaching from salt mining operations

but he excluded the possibility of natural leaching from the worlds largest salt deposit..

its often what they do not say

lets get some perspective



lakes Erie, & Huron are where the salt deposits are
they flow into lake Ontario

note milligrams per litre



or more than 10,000 X what is found in lake superior

There are other studies out of the U.S. looking at it.
Goderich Ontario.
I’ve been there a number of times ( I’d bet a ton here haven’t) . Have swum in its waters too. Another commonality? It too was once a booming small town in Ontario filled with uneducated red necks and shipper and truckers. Responsible for oh so much commerce, but table scraps and ridicule in return.

However, most of the chloride reaching the Great Lakes comes from direct human-caused sources. The largest of these are road salt applications and salt from water softeners.

But in our groundwater and streams, the only way to reduce chloride levels is through dilution with fresher water. We need to reduce how much salt we apply to the landscape before we create a problem that is even more difficult for future generations to deal with.

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2022/road-salt?collection=79022467-cc5d-4b0d-9d69-8f773df52178#:~:text=The%20Great%20Lakes%20are%20freshwater,to%2015%20milligrams%20per%20liter

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Btw. Where we uneducated red necks live. We use sand. A lot further north, some are using beet juice.

 

[Frankfooter]

i assure you what' I have posted is fundamentally sound and based on outstanding physics work done in the late 1800 and early 1900s

You should consider what science has discovered in the last 100 years larue since you last did research.

 

[Skoob]

If you disagree that the carbon tax is useful, okay fine. I am not advocating one thing or another. But come up with something else instead of denying climate change science is even a thing.

What are you trying to say here? Is it the same along the lines of "pick up the pieces when the genocide is done in Gaza"?

Nowhere in any of my comments here have I said climate change is not a thing. Nowhere. So don't misquote me.

My point is that taxing fuel does nothing to combat climate change and if you believe it actually does, that's fine...show the math.

 

[JohnLarue]

There are other studies out of the U.S. looking at it.
Goderich Ontario.
I’ve been there a number of times ( I’d bet a ton here haven’t) . Have swum in its waters too. Another commonality? It too was once a booming small town in Ontario filled with uneducated red necks and shipper and truckers. Responsible for oh so much commerce, but table scraps and ridicule in return.

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2022/road-salt?collection=79022467-cc5d-4b0d-9d69-8f773df52178#:~:text=The%20Great%20Lakes%20are%20freshwater,to%2015%20milligrams%20per%20liter

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Btw. Where we uneducated red necks live. We use sand. A lot further north, some are using beet juice.

yes Goderich Ontario is a nice place , beautiful beeches
booming ? not so much, the nature of great lakes shipping has changed

again

Lake Superior is lowest with only l or 2 milligrams of salt per liter of water.

if lakes Erie, Huron and Ontario had levels 10 to 100 X than lake superior why would they leave that sensational tib bit out of a sensational alarmists article ?

from you new article

Lake Michigan, for example, has been a very low-salt lake, with levels around one milligram of chloride per liter of water. Over the years, due to our increased salt use, that level has steadily but gradually climbed up to 15 milligrams per liter.

how much salt is in bottled spring water ?

Most underground waterways and aquifers where spring water is sourced contain sodium naturally, which inevitably dissolves into the water. Because of this, some of the most popular bottled water brands, like Fiji, Evian, or Perrier, have sodium levels ranging between 10 mg/L to 50 mg/L.

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more than lake Michigan

he has attributed cause and effect without supplying any evidence of the source across a massive ecosystem and there is more salt in a litre of bottled water than a lire of lake Michigan water.

also from you new article
as i predicted

The easiest solution is to use less road salt, and Michigan’s Department of Transportation is actively looking for ways to apply less salt on roads during the winter

crash/ bang/ >>>> hospital or funeral parlor

 

[Frankfooter]

My point is that taxing fuel does nothing to combat climate change and if you believe it actually does, that's fine...show the math.

You know it works, you said so.

No one drives Hummers because the gas has been made too expensive by the carbon tax.

 

[Frankfooter]

My point is they are two different things. Climate change science is different from your criticism of the govt. As I am said I am not an advocate of the carbon tax, nor am I dead against it as climate stuff is not such a passionate topic for me. I am also not an advocate of knee jerk actions when it comes to climate action. I think measures need to be taken but cautiously optimistic ones that put short and medium term impacts on people front and center. I think we are more or less in agreement.

Subsidies for renewables, carbon tax and better transit aren't that hard to accomplish and will do most of what we need to do to slow climate change.

 

[Skoob]

You know it works, you said so.

Just because you repeat something doesn't mean it's true.
Are you really that desperate?

They discontinued the Hummer in 2009 due to the economic collapse and not due to climate change. Trudeau's carbon tax scheme started in 2016.

 

[Skoob]

My point is they are two different things. Climate change science is different from your criticism of the govt. As I am said I am not an advocate of the carbon tax, nor am I dead against it as climate stuff is not such a passionate topic for me. I am also not an advocate of knee jerk actions when it comes to climate action. I think measures need to be taken but cautiously optimistic ones that put short and medium term impacts on people front and center. I think we are more or less in agreement.

My criticism of the government is directly related to carbon tax.
Is making life unaffordable for people a means to address climate change?
If yes, explain the math.

I maintain that it punishes people even if they themselves don't drive.

It's irresponsible of government to place that burden on the majority of people by pursuing unattainable targets for a problem Canada is nowhere near the cause of compared to other countries.

The irony here is that the same people that complain about the 1% being too rich, are the same people who don't realize the rich are not paying as much carbon tax as everyone else.

It's the lower-middle class that's being punished and extorted and feels the negative impacts the most.

 

[Frankfooter]

Just because you repeat something doesn't mean it's true.
Are you really that desperate?

They discontinued the Hummer in 2009 due to the economic collapse and not due to climate change. Trudeau's carbon tax scheme started in 2016.

So you made yet another ignorant comment that still confirmed the point of the carbon tax.
To make it too expensive to use gas guzzlers.

No one drives Hummers because the gas has been made too expensive by the carbon tax.

 

[Frankfooter]

My criticism of the government is directly related to carbon tax.
Is making life unaffordable for people a means to address climate change?

Sell your old Hummer and buy something small.

No one drives Hummers because the gas has been made too expensive by the carbon tax.

 

[Skoob]

So you made yet another ignorant comment that still confirmed the point of the carbon tax.
To make it too expensive to use gas guzzlers.

Gas guzzlers were already expensive before the carbon tax and that's why Hummers were discontinued in 2009.
Lots of other gas vehicles being driven because they are less expensive than EV's for the average person...but now the carbon tax has made things unaffordable for those who have no choice, ie lower-middle class.

You theory that the rich fund the poor via the carbon tax is flawed as usual.