It's not CO2 as Climate alarmists claim, it's Nitrogen

Frankfooter

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Gas guzzlers were already expensive before the carbon tax and that's why Hummers were discontinued in 2009.
Lots of other gas vehicles being driven because they are less expensive than EV's for the average person...but now the carbon tax has made things unaffordable for those who have no choice, ie lower-middle class.

You theory that the rich fund the poor via the carbon tax is flawed as usual.
So they drive less and with smaller cars.
Sounds like the carbon tax is doing what its supposed to do.

Thanks again for arguing it works.
 

JohnLarue

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There are other studies out of the U.S. looking at it.
Goderich Ontario.
I’ve been there a number of times ( I’d bet a ton here haven’t) . Have swum in its waters too. Another commonality? It too was once a booming small town in Ontario filled with uneducated red necks and shipper and truckers. Responsible for oh so much commerce, but table scraps and ridicule in return.





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Btw. Where we uneducated red necks live. We use sand. A lot further north, some are using beet juice.
i revisited the second article
this a bit of a cause for concern
Traditionally, Lake Michigan, for example, has been a very low-salt lake, with levels around one milligram of chloride per liter of water. Over the years, due to our increased salt use, that level has steadily but gradually climbed up to 15 milligrams per liter.
however
  1. the time line is undefined, 'traditionally' could me an a lot of timelines , although i doubt proxy data would be used to measure +/- i milligram
  2. a steady increase does not define the source (again leaching could be from a salt mine or natural leeching)
  3. it is still less salt than in bottled spring water
  4. A lot of questions about sampling would be raised, lake Michigan is a really big body of water
more study is required before implementing policy changes which could impact road safety in the winter
 

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As I am said I am not an advocate of the carbon tax, nor am I dead against it as climate stuff is not such a passionate topic for me. I am also not an advocate of knee jerk actions when it comes to climate action. I think measures need to be taken but cautiously optimistic ones that put short and medium term impacts on people front and center. I think we are more or less in agreement.

you cant keep track of your own bullshit

Not true. Climate change is very real and there are several factors that cause it, exacerbate it etc.,
If you are talking about doing something about climate change on my own, then I do that already
I consume very little. I take public transport, walk everywhere, do not own or intend to own a car, use rideshare and if needed, I rent a vehicle. I also do not waste food, ever. I save electricity by not turning on the heater during winter
not passionate you say ?

i have seen many bullshit artists before
a common trait is they do not keep track of their lies
another common trait is they think they can talk / lie their way out of anything

congratulations you have just received your credentials as a bonafide spreader of bovine scatology from the El Toro school of bullshit artists
the only tuition is your credibility
 
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Do you know what a chemical reaction is? Or for that matter, do you know that N2 is a hugely stable molecule?
Most of our atmosphere is made up of N2. Is it really dangerous for anyone but death row Inmates in Alabama?
 

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Unless you have reading comprehension issues, what you bolded are neither contradictory nor incompatible.
and right on cue
another common trait is they think they can talk / lie their way out of anything

tell us more about how you are not passionate about climate change, yet are so adamite it is real
then you can contradict yourself again with more bullshit about your virtue signalling climate friendly lifestyle

careful where you step less you soil your shoes with your own bullshit
 

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Most of our atmosphere is made up of N2. Is it really dangerous for anyone but death row Inmates in Alabama?

he is correct
N2 is extremely stable, and requires a lot of heat and pressure to break those triple bonds

your analogy is foolish, as injecting just about anything into the blood stream in sufficient quantitates can turn the lights out permanently
 

JohnLarue

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]What does saying climate change is real have anything at all to do with not being passionate about the topic?
it says a lot

Climate change is science.
no it is not
real science produces experimentally verified hypothesis, not propaganda

I trust the scientists, the research and the science.
despite all the failed predictions, false propaganda and data tampering ?

how can you trust what you do not understand?



I take steps to do my part, but dont go out of my way to do anything. But I am not that passionate about talking about the politics behind it. This is neither contradictory or incompatible. You are just rambling nonsense now for the heck of it. Stop it.
it is completely contradictory

But I am not that passionate about talking about the politics behind it.
there is no politics in science
if the theory is not supported by the experimental results, the theory is wrong

and as i pointed out earlier there is not a single paper which can conclusively prove AGW
it is all based on flawed surface temperature data sets and biased computer modeling


another common trait is they think they can talk / lie their way out of anything

tell us more about how you are not passionate about climate change, yet are so adamite it is real
then you can contradict yourself again with more bullshit about your virtue signalling climate friendly lifestyle

careful where you step less you soil your shoes with your own bullshit
 

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Goderich Ontario.
I’ve been there a number of times ( I’d bet a ton here haven’t) . Have swum in its waters too.
Well if you are going to tell us you/ve been in the Goderich salt mines, I'll call ya out on that cuz nobody except the actual workers are allowed down in the mine. And if you did work in that salt mine you'd know it is fucking BONE DRY!

The impermiable salt vein is only 100 ft thick and it is 1800 ft below the surface. That salt doesn't affect the salinity of Lake Huron, nor downstream. And Lake Superior is a whole 'nother geological scene. In fact there is a north shore plesistocene brine aquifer recharge cycle that makes for the some of the saltiest groundwater in the world.

Road salt is a bad thing for rivers and lakes. And it is affecting the Great Lakes. Full stop.

Like you say, sand is good and used in the north. Not only because salt doesn't work whenit gets that cold anyways.

As for beet juice. AFAIK, it is not effective on its own. It is an additive to salt brine used to pre-treat roads before the snow starts falling. And there is controversy over the sugar's effecton bacterial growth in the runoff.
 

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Subsidies for renewables, carbon tax and better transit aren't that hard to accomplish and will do most of what we need to do to slow climate change.
Renewables only make things worse. A carbon tax is just a tax and nothing else. Better transit. Very hard to accomplish in North America for some reason.
 

SchlongConery

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Most of our atmosphere is made up of N2. Is it really dangerous for anyone but death row Inmates in Alabama?
Not relevant to the climate discussion but yeah, nitrogen, and for that matter oxygen can be deadly for humans if just a bit too far off the natural ratios and partial pressures seen in your lungs and tissue.

Nitrogen narcosis is a real danger in SCUBA diving. And even at sea level pressure, you can narc yourself on it. Or commit suicide as it is an inert gas and will suffocate you.

Nitrogen coming out of solution in your blood and forming nitrogen gas bubbles, aka "The Bends" can cause blockage of blood vessels and death.

Oxygen in too high concentrations and pressures is toxic . Oxygen Toxicity


So yeah, like CO2 these seemingly harmless common gases that are vital for us to live this moment, can also kill us if the balance and pressures are even so slightly off. ;)
 

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Stop rambling. I am not interested in anything of what you think about climate science. You are not the authority on anything. As I said, I trust the science, I trust the scientists and I agree that we should take steps to minimize impact. However my only input is that it should be measured with short to medium term impact on people being the primary consideration.

Also, yes there is politics behind it and yes ideally there shouldn't be because it is science. But I am not interested in reviewing or discussing the politics behind it or the policy positions of the govt. You lot can go back and forth about it. That's all I have to say about that.
Preach brother. I feel similarly.
 

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Well if you are going to tell us you/ve been in the Goderich salt mines, I'll call ya out on that cuz nobody except the actual workers are allowed down in the mine. And if you did work in that salt mine you'd know it is fucking BONE DRY!

The impermiable salt vein is only 100 ft thick and it is 1800 ft below the surface. That salt doesn't affect the salinity of Lake Huron, nor downstream. And Lake Superior is a whole 'nother geological scene. In fact there is a north shore plesistocene brine aquifer recharge cycle that makes for the some of the saltiest groundwater in the world.

Road salt is a bad thing for rivers and lakes. And it is affecting the Great Lakes. Full stop.

Like you say, sand is good and used in the north. Not only because salt doesn't work whenit gets that cold anyways.

As for beet juice. AFAIK, it is not effective on its own. It is an additive to salt brine used to pre-treat roads before the snow starts falling. And there is controversy over the sugar's effecton bacterial growth in the runoff.
quote the part where I said I’ve been inside the mines. I’m going to call you on your lack of ability to read in your rush to sound off, and run your mouth on that.

Allow me to help you. I know English is hard and education expensive, so here you go
Goderich Ontario.
I’ve been there a number of times
Let’s start there. FULL STOP!

Then quote the part where I said or implied leaching from them is a primary cause or cause.
I know English is hard, and education expensive, allow me to help you.

However, most of the chloride reaching the Great Lakes comes from direct human-caused sources. The largest of these are road salt applications and salt from water softeners.

.. Let’s start there. FULL STOP!

Given you read the last comment about sand and beet juice…How the fuck did you brain cramp so hard or why.

Full stop
 
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JohnLarue

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Stop rambling.
do not tell me what to do
your advise is worthless

I am not interested in anything of what you think about climate science
suit yourself but you will remain ignorant on the issue that is determining your lifestyle

] You are not the authority on anything.
i understand the subject matter much better than you

As I said, I trust the science, I trust the scientists .
climate science has been corrupted

However my only input is that it should be measured with short to medium term impact on people being the primary consideration.
the input of the ignorant is worthless

Also, yes there is politics behind it and yes ideally there shouldn't be because it is science.
when politics determines the scientific conclusion it is not science



But I am not interested in reviewing or discussing the politics behind it or the policy positions of the govt. You lot can go back and forth about it. That's all I have to say about that.

and the bullshit artist declares he no longer will discuss his lies
 

Not getting younger

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Stop rambling something incoherent. And the bullshit artist is you pretending to know anything about climate science, while spewing utter nonsense you came across on some rightie outrage retreat.
Sure as the sun rises in the east, and the earth is round not flat. The lying bigoted goat toad steps out of his cesspool glass house, forgetting his glass slipper.
 
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The lying "goat toad bison cow lamb alpaca and any other names of cattle you can think of" here is you as SchlongConery called out your BS about "Swimming in the waters of a bone dry salt mine, where outsiders are not allowed". Slam dunk! 😂
more blatant lies from the goat toad, that has proven he cannot read English, and should not open his wide bigoted Jabba mouth, dozens of times. But can’t help himself.

With respect to Goderich and an immigrant that lied, claiming to know what life was like here in 70s, 80s. I have zero doubt that same pedicured fingernail he said people should something about but won’t. Has never or rarely if ever bothered to visit this once amazing province he now call home but has absolutely zero appreciation for, nor its people. He calls them racist things like white isolated hicks.

Nor does he have the lied about intellect to grasp why I might know about the mines. ^^^^^^^^^
 
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With respect to Goderich and an immigrant that lied, claiming to know what life was like here in 70s, 80s. I have zero doubt that same pedicured fingernail he said people should something about but won’t. Has never or rarely if ever bothered to visit this once amazing province he now call home but has absolutely zero appreciation for, nor its people. He calls them racist things like white isolated hicks.

Nor does he have the lied about intellect to grasp why I might know about the mines. ^^^^^^^^^
Its entertaining that you think beaches are the big issue in Goderich and not the change from family to industrial farming.
For someone in the boonies, you're really quite out of touch.
 

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Its entertaining that you think beaches are the big issue in Goderich and not the change from family to industrial farming.
For someone in the boonies, you're really quite out of touch.
Lmao.
Typical FFs faceplant, step up to the plate for the team and distraction
 
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