It's not CO2 as Climate alarmists claim, it's Nitrogen

[Not getting younger]

I'm sure you think a trip to the Pinery makes you an expert on Goderich.

Expert hardly. Just someone that’s been there and in that neck of woods both professionally and on my own my dime. Just someone that found out about the mines doing so…you and the majority here had no clue about. Nor the economic benefits, they’ve provided you, nor the environmental damage. Nor the appreciation for what you have or what Ontario has given you. Aware and woke Mr lefty.

Just someone with an insatiable desire to read about and learn about new things and places Meet people from all walks of life. Especially those you call uneducated red necks but are anything but. Was a real eye opener back around 2000 when me and my big city salary started opening my eyes…I’ve even been to reservations and learned a little about reality… too

Naturally, my naturally inquisitive, mind especially one that thinks there is nothing more to critical to the world than water.. wanted to know as much as a layman can. The more I learned, the more I did this or that. That led me to studies and experts out of the U.S.

how many lakes ( never mind streams and rivers ) are in Ontario he who has no clue about what is just a throws away never mind your own potty glass house. I bet you don’t know, you could spend every weekend for your entire life, and not see them all if you stepped away from your keyboard and lived life. Never mind, you don’t know rivers in your yard look like chocolate milk after a light rain and no storm drains are overflowing either.

Me, there aren’t many places you can name in Ontario I haven’t been to, or gone for swim. Either professionally or on my own dime..

Etc and so on.

 

[Frankfooter]

Expert hardly. Just someone that’s been there and in that neck of woods both professionally and on my own my dime. Just someone that found out about the mines doing so…you and the majority here had no clue about. Nor the economic benefits, they’ve provided you, nor the environmental damage. Nor the appreciation for what you have or what Ontario has given you. Aware and woke Mr lefty.

Just someone with an insatiable desire to read about and learn about new things and places Meet people from all walks of life. Especially those you call uneducated red necks but are anything but. Was a real eye opener back around 2000 when me and my big city salary started opening my eyes…I’ve even been to reservations and learned a little about reality… too

Naturally, my naturally inquisitive, mind especially one that thinks there is nothing more to critical to the world than water.. wanted to know as much as a layman can. The more I learned, the more I did this or that. That led me to studies and experts out of the U.S.

how many lakes ( never mind streams and rivers ) are in Ontario he who has no clue about what is just a throws away never mind your own potty glass house. I bet you don’t know, you could spend every weekend for your entire life, and not see them all if you stepped away from your keyboard and lived life. Never mind, you don’t know rivers in your yard look like chocolate milk after a light rain and no storm drains are overflowing either.

Me, there aren’t many places you can name in Ontario I haven’t been to, or gone for swim. Either professionally or on my own dime..

Etc and so on.

Why do you keep calling all the people who live around you 'uneducated red necks'?
Why do you keep posting obvious things like streams and rivers have more silt after storms as if you've discovered some amazing fact?
Why do you think people in Ontario are unaware of its glacial history, its vast water resources and the flow of the great lakes?

 

[Skoob]

So they drive less and with smaller cars.
Sounds like the carbon tax is doing what its supposed to do.

Thanks again for arguing it works.

No they don't drive less. They drive the same. Someone who needs a larger vehicle can't simply just downsize to a smaller one.
And because of that they are punished by the carbon tax.

You can twist and dance around things all you like...you claim you always champion helping the lower classes and you are conveniently abandoning that narrative now because your climate narrative overrides everything else.

The rich are not helping fund the poor through carbon tax because the rich have more means to avoid it. Everyone else i.e. the 99%, is punished.

 

[Frankfooter]

No they don't drive less. They drive the same. Someone who needs a larger vehicle can't simply just downsize to a smaller one.
And because of that they are punished by the carbon tax.

You can twist and dance around things all you like...you claim you always champion helping the lower classes and you are conveniently abandoning that narrative now because your climate narrative overrides everything else.

The rich are not helping fund the poor through carbon tax because the rich have more means to avoid it. Everyone else i.e. the 99%, is punished.

Sure they can, its a slow implementation of the carbon tax.
When they change cars they can change to an EV or a smaller car.

You proved the carbon tax works and makes sense already.

 

[Skoob]

Sure they can, its a slow implementation of the carbon tax.
When they change cars they can change to an EV or a smaller car.

You proved the carbon tax works and makes sense already.

So some low-middle-class person who needs to drive for a living delivering stuff can just downsize their vehicle at will to a smaller one or to a more expensive one? My my you are sounding very elitist. Like in a "Let them eat cake" kind of way.
...and that's the arrogance that will get the LIbs kicked out of office and the carbon tax ponzi scheme abolished.
Thanks

 

[Frankfooter]

So some low-middle-class person who needs to drive for a living delivering stuff can just downsize their vehicle at will to a smaller one or to a more expensive one? My my you are sounding very elitist. Like in a "Let them eat cake" kind of way.
...and that's the arrogance that will get the LIbs kicked out of office and the carbon tax ponzi scheme abolished.
Thanks

That person is going to be more pissed at the oil&gas industry who raised gas prices by 15 cents a litre in one week.
Unless they've been spoon fed disinformation and think the carbon tax costs more.

 

[Skoob]

That person is going to be more pissed at the oil&gas industry who raised gas prices by 15 cents a litre in one week.
Unless they've been spoon fed disinformation and think the carbon tax costs more.

You are pivoting away from your narrative. The carbon tax has made fuel and everything too expensive for someone who has no choice but to keep the vehicle they need and drive as they have always needed to.

The 1% have the means to avoid it. the 99% don't.

Ontario has the sensibility to extend the gas tax cut for the rest of the year...the Feds not. They are plowing ahead April first with another carbon tax increase having increased the carbon price from $20/ton in 2019 to $80 April 1st. 300% in 4 years. They are out of touch with reality.

On the bright side, it will only lead to their downfall and getting this extortion racket abolished.

 

[JuanGoodman]

do you know that N2 is a hugely stable molecule?

how hugely is it?

 

[Frankfooter]

You are pivoting away from your narrative. The carbon tax has made fuel and everything too expensive for someone who has no choice but to keep the vehicle they need and drive as they have always needed to.

The 1% have the means to avoid it. the 99% don't.

Ontario has the sensibility to extend the gas tax cut for the rest of the year...the Feds not. They are plowing ahead April first with another carbon tax increase having increased the carbon price from $20/ton in 2019 to $80 April 1st. 300% in 4 years. They are out of touch with reality.

On the bright side, it will only lead to their downfall and getting this extortion racket abolished.

You've been rage farmed.
You should be mad at the oil&gas industry for raising gas prices, not the tiny amount added from the carbon tax.

They are the ones raking in trillions.

 

[JohnLarue]

Stop rambling something incoherent.

#1. That is incoherent
# 2. I told you I only take advice/ instructions from people I respect. you do not qualify

And the bullshit artist is you pretending to know anything about climate science,

too funny

how in the world would you know ?
you have already admitted you know nothing about climate science and instead blindly trust the scientists
i assure you i have a much better understanding of the climate change narrative/ propaganda than you do

here is a scientist for you

John F. Clauser
American physicist who was awarded the 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics

What did John Clauser say about climate change?

He cycled through a PowerPoint presentation that began with the exclamation: “Great news! There is no climate crisis!” “Much as it may upset many people, my message is the planet is not in peril,”

see good news , you should be relived
instead you will be outraged you have been played for a fool and then outraged an exceptionally intelligent authority figure has challenged the narrative you foolishly choose to determine your lifestyle

The 2022 Nobel Prize for Physics- an award for brilliant/ genius scientists

John Clauser has more to say

“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”

he is very definitive

while spewing utter nonsense you came across on some rightie outrage retreat.

what is the value of your opinion if you let others do your thinking for you?
your opinion becomes worthless

btw physics is science
number noodling computer data sets to try to get a pre-determined conclusion is not science

i can provide more scientists who are alarmed by the false pseudoscience

what were the names of the scientists that you blindly trust?
oh you don't know ,
so really you are are blindly placing your trust in the ....... propaganda you have been fed

how sad

 

[Frankfooter]

What did John Clauser say about climate change?

Clauser is not a climatologist. He's a physicist who is now also a paid lobbyist for the oil industry.
You only accept the word of oil lobbyists.

 

[Skoob]

You've been rage farmed.
You should be mad at the oil&gas industry for raising gas prices, not the tiny amount added from the carbon tax.

They are the ones raking in trillions.

There are typical annual factors that contribute to gas prices rising this time of year. One of the main ones is demand this time of year.

Imagine that...a high demand for gas. Do you think the high demand is because people are moving off fossil fuels and everyone is driving expensive EVs?

Your theory that the rich contribute to the carbon tax rebates that go to poorer people is flawed. It's not coming from the rich. It's coming from themselves. i.e. being bribed with their own money.

 

[oil&gas]

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I think measures need to be taken but cautiously optimistic ones that put short and medium term impacts on people front and center. I think we are more or less in agreement.

What you said is reasonable. Unfortunately cautious optimism
over impact of climate policies on people as reasonable it sounds,
would only work against implementation of measures needed for
drastic and immediate reduction of emission. And I am not
talking about measures like Trudeau's carbon tax which in all
likelihood would not make people substantially reduce their
carbon footprint.

If our government wants us to be cautiously optimistic with
meeting net zero emission target perhaps they should first come
clean with what they know about the urgency of the threat of
the climate crisis. Is it really true that global emission has to
be halved within this decade to avert CO2 concentration passing
the point beyond which climate change becomes irreversible?
Is it true that once the point of no return is passed humanity
is going to face an extinction crisis according to climate science?
These are questions perhaps our leaders can shed some light
on by holding an open discussion with the public. And if it turns
out the climate crisis is nowhere as horrendous as Greta Thunberg
wants the world to believe then it would be reasonable to
be cautiously optimistic.

 

[JohnLarue]

If our government wants us to be cautiously optimistic with
meeting net zero emission target perhaps they should first come
clean with what they know about the urgency of the threat of
the climate crisis.

These are questions perhaps our leaders can shed some light
on by holding an open discussion with the public. .

why would you expect to be told the truth about AGW by our govt ?

this lunatic will go to his grave uttering climate propaganda

 

[Frankfooter]

this lunatic will go to his grave uttering climate propaganda

You will go to your grave uttering oil&gas industry propaganda.
You're aiding the greatest crime against humanity ever.

 

[oil&gas]

why would you expect to be told the truth about AGW by our govt ?

I suspect that Trudeau, Freeland, Wilkinson and their ilk actually
never ever consulted climate scientists in climate change policy
planning. They very likely know no more about climate science
than Joe Blow.

this lunatic will go to his grave uttering climate propaganda

In that case even climate sheeple voters would hopefully be
convinced the PM they supported had appointed a lunatic to
his cabinet. That could lead them to realize Trudeau and his ilk
are not to be trusted. The open climate change discussion could
solve the climate crisis if it helps the public to figure out they
have been duped.

 

[y2kmark]

he is correct
N2 is extremely stable, and requires a lot of heat and pressure to break those triple bonds

your analogy is foolish, as injecting just about anything into the blood stream in sufficient quantitates can turn the lights out permanently

Sorry I left out the sarcasm alert, I was trying to mock the stupidity of some people in this thread. You'd fit right in in Alabama yourself...

 

[Not getting younger]

You are pivoting away from your narrative. The carbon tax has made fuel and everything too expensive for someone who has no choice but to keep the vehicle they need and drive as they have always needed to.

The 1% have the means to avoid it. the 99% don't.

Ontario has the sensibility to extend the gas tax cut for the rest of the year...the Feds not. They are plowing ahead April first with another carbon tax increase having increased the carbon price from $20/ton in 2019 to $80 April 1st. 300% in 4 years. They are out of touch with reality.

On the bright side, it will only lead to their downfall and getting this extortion racket abolished.

Nor does he grasp their realities about.
Budgets (revenues/expenses). Say just kids
Deficits/debt
Interest rates
Difference that matter when trying to buy new or used vehicles. What kind of rates are available, what terms (used vehicles it’s hard to get longer terms without higher rates) The older or more km, the shorter the term.. Basically pick your poison it’s the same. They aren’t fools, it’s their money.

Nor does he grasp or know about negative equity and what that does.

, nor what determines how much peons can borrow, I’m sure he thinks “ they can borrow 20,000 -30000). Nope it’s their maximum allowed ( by the lender) monthly payment. Say for many people $400-500

Have fun finding vehicles these days that end up being less than say $400 monthly. New or used.

 

[JohnLarue]

Sorry I left out the sarcasm alert, I was trying to mock the stupidity of some people in this thread. You'd fit right in in Alabama yourself...

you tried to mock and you failed

where would you fit in?
some strange place where the physical laws of nature are overruled by a political narrative and you have others do your thinking for you

 

[Frankfooter]

some strange place where the physical laws of nature are overruled by a political narrative and you have others do your thinking for you

Is that where you live?

You ran away again.
You can't answer to explain why the climate is changing just as much as scientists told you it would.