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Yes. I agree with you on those points.

But to dismiss the current, potential, projected and/or hypothesized catastrophic effects of unchecked polluting of our water, land and air will make money meaningless.

If you agree that it's a bad thing to pollute, how would you propose to reduce increasing rates of general pollution? Or are we just too far gone and since neither of us will be alive iin 50 years we should just say fuck it?
Nuclear energy...
 

Skoob

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I dunno, schlong.
Skoob made a pretty strong argument that the carbon tax works.
Actually it proves the opposite.

Rich people don't drive 15 year old vehicles. They buy new cars very frequently. Most new cars are being built as EV's.

The lower-middle class just keep going with what they have and can afford which are gas -powered vehicles.

So your argument that the rich fund the carbon tax is wrong.

My argument that the carbon tax makes life unaffordable for most people is the reality you refuse to accept.
 

Frankfooter

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Actually it proves the opposite.

Rich people don't drive 15 year old vehicles. They buy new cars very frequently. Most new cars are being built as EV's.

The lower-middle class just keep going with what they have and can afford which are gas -powered vehicles.

So your argument that the rich fund the carbon tax is wrong.

My argument that the carbon tax makes life unaffordable for most people is the reality you refuse to accept.
Your argument is that the carbon tax has effectively ended the use of gas guzzling Hummers.
Exactly what its supposed to do.

No one drives Hummers because the gas has been made too expensive by the carbon tax.
 

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It is not about controlling but it is about reducing impact on climate change.
those two are the same thing

And based on what are you calling it fictitious? No bogus, misinterpreted science please.
try some facts

A 0.016% change in atmospheric composition does not drive climate change
And there is doubt how much of that minuscule change is due to mankind
the annual turnover of natural CO2 is 50 times greater than man made CO2

Cite some study or research by someone who has the credentials and who is peer reviewed on the subject to back up your claims.
climate science has been corrupted
peer review ???


July 8, 2004. From Phil Jones to Michael Mann.

“The other paper by MM is just garbage. [...] I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”
that is not science, it is agenda driven fraud
you can not hide behind peer review


besides
you do understand that there is no peer reviewed paper that provides clear experimental evidence/ proof / conclusion of anthropogenic driven climate change?

Climate change is a problem that needs to be tackled.
access to clean drinking water is a real environmental problem
overfishing of the oceans is a real environmental problem
irresponsible forest management by govt and activist arson is a real environmental problem

But the "how" needs to be more balanced.
thus far the solutions proposed i.e. "Net zero' have been unachievable lunacy that will kill millions and push billions into poverty

how does one "balance" unachievable lunacy ?

climate change had been politicized and corrupted
expecting a workable 'solution" to emerge is naive and absurd

Doubt that. 5% of new vehicle registrations are EVs. 95% are not.
arguing about EV vehicle registrations is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
"net Zero" will suffer the same fate
 
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Frankfooter

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those two are the same thing
No, influencing and controlling are different things.

try some facts

A 0.016% change in atmospheric composition does not drive climate change
And there is doubt how much of that minuscule change is due to mankind
the annual turnover of natural CO2 is 50 times greater than man made CO2
Bad science, buddy.
The greenhouse effect has been known for 100 years.


climate science has been corrupted
peer review ???
You base this off of websites from oil funded disinformation campaigns.
That is where the corruption lies, in the trillions of profit from fossil fuels.


that is not science, it is agenda driven fraud
you can not hide behind peer review
The science deniers you back are afraid of peer review.
None of their claims stand when they are checked by other scientists.


besides
you do understand that there is no peer reviewed paper that provides clear experimental evidence/ proof / conclusion of anthropogenic driven climate change?
False, I've repeatedly posted the NASA paper that measured changes in solar energy hitting the surface from greenhouse gases.

access to clean drinking water is a real environmental problem
overfishing of the oceans is a real environmental problem
irresponsible forest management by govt and activist arson is a real environmental problem
Those are also problems, yes.
But they don't diminish the import of dealing with the biggest problem, climate change.


thus far the solutions proposed i.e. "Net zero' have been unachievable lunacy that will kill millions and push billions into poverty
Its doable and scientists have shown how and how much it will cost.



climate change had been politicized and corrupted
expecting a workable 'solution" to emerge is naive and absurd
We are experiencing climate change by all possible metrics.
Its not politicized, its a fact.
 

Skoob

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Your argument is that the carbon tax has effectively ended the use of gas guzzling Hummers.
Exactly what its supposed to do.
No my argument is that it has made things unaffordable for most.

How many low-middle-class people can afford an EV? Not many. So instead they get punished more at the pumps and everywhere else.

Your argument is that the rich fund the poor through the carbon tax. Please explain how that works if the rich have the means to pay less carbon tax than most other people.
 

Frankfooter

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No my argument is that it has made things unaffordable for most.

How many low-middle-class people can afford an EV? Not many. So instead they get punished more at the pumps and everywhere else.

Your argument is that the rich fund the poor through the carbon tax. Please explain how that works if the rich have the means to pay less carbon tax than most other people.
Gas prices rose 15 cents in one week and DoFo was fine with that.
 

Not getting younger

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I don't know, am not a scientist. Whatever the research says.

I dont think climate change is a "leftie" thing. It has been made into one but it is just science. And yes we should take steps to save the planet. Do you think your rightie cringe lord saviour is going to follow through on his word and set you up with a nice little tent on Mars in another 25 years? 😂
1) we can’t reverse climate change. It’s inevitable or don’t you know that.

2) you too live in a cesspool. That’s razing and raping the environment. Whether lumber for 2x4s, or pulp and paper. To road salt because you don’t know to drive, or walk to your door. And sooooooo very much more.

Plenty you could do all around you.

Imagine a world, where we were more concerned about what can do to lift a hand versus the present virtuous world of telling every one else to live greener.

What happens when Bambi, thumper and you have no clean water to drink. Or to play 18 on, water manicured and fertilized lawns, choking the life out shit, wash shiny ritzy cars, and so much more. Hell even Evian water in those plastic water thingies choking streams and lake O comes from somewhere
 
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Frankfooter

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And......the DoFo injection right on schedule!
And yet another off topic post by the troll claiming to be worried about being on topic.

Have you posted anything on topic here skooby poo?
You gonna lie about that too?

You gonna lie about the planet warming as CO2 is rising, as the IPCC projected?

 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
You may not be able to reverse what has already been done, but you are able to take steps to reduce impact in the future.
World's climate leaders have already taken steps to
reduce impact of carbon emission in the future:

Canadian oil output to hit new heights within two years, report says



Norway, Australia, Canada and the U.S. will work hard to expedite
depletion of oil resources so future generation can thank us for the
gift of living on a planet stripped of polluting fossil fuel resources.
 

Skoob

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And yet another off topic post by the troll claiming to be worried about being on topic.

Have you posted anything on topic here skooby poo?
You gonna lie about that too?

You gonna lie about the planet warming as CO2 is rising, as the IPCC projected?

You just keep injecting DoFo or Poilievre or Trump into every thread regardless of the topic.
Every time without fail.
You are obsessed and need help.
 

Not getting younger

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You may not be able to reverse what has already been done, but you are able to take steps to reduce impact in the future.
You can’t stop time either. Whatever armegeddon you and FFs fear…it’s inevitable.

you are able to take steps to reduce impact in the future.”
So why aren’t you and virtuous FFS champions that you are doing what you can and lifting a hand…getting fingernails dirty, especially given the cesspool you live in, and what you are shitting in and it’s critical importance to all life…. 👩‍🦱👨‍🦱🧒🐒🙉🐰🐭🐶🦝🐻🦆🐞🐝🐛🕷🐜🍏🍎🍐🍊🍉🍇🍈🍑🦃🐓🐠🐟🦋, green grass and green 🌲 too

Never mind the consumerism and bright lights/fast life trash lifestyle. Instead of telling others to live greener.

Aka just do it.
 
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Skoob

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You may not be able to reverse what has already been done, but you are able to take steps to reduce impact in the future.
Ok fair statement.
Now show your math calculations for the amount of carbon tax collected vs the improvement it makes to the climate to avert issues in the future.
 

Frankfooter

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You just keep injecting DoFo or Poilievre or Trump into every thread regardless of the topic.
Every time without fail.
You are obsessed and need help.
Off topic.

Respond to the post, skoob.
Do you think this is happening or not?

 

Skoob

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Off topic.

Respond to the post, skoob.
Do you think this is happening or not?

So you go off topic by injecting DoFo into a thread about CO2 vs Nitrogen and that's on topic?
You are obsessed and need help.
 

Not getting younger

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If you disagree that the carbon tax is useful, okay fine. I am not advocating one thing or another. But come up with something else instead of denying climate change science is even a thing.

What are you trying to say here? Is it the same along the lines of "pick up the pieces when the genocide is done in Gaza"?
why like FFs are you bringing in Gaza.
It’s not rocket science.

Rather than joining a million million million billion other lemmings and key board warriors on social media to virtue signal and tell others to live greener. just do it.

Take some actual steps and lift a hand. You won’t get many thanks, or attention on FB, Tweeter, Insta. But you will get dirty fingernails.

And for the cesspool you live in, and what you are shitting in….just the arteries and wells of all life …and at the very bottom…over 20% of the worlds surface water ( that neither counts oh so very much more all around )

What was it you said?
you are able to take steps to reduce impact in the future.”

And yet you don’t and wont
 
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richaceg

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Anything to do with climate change is a lie.
I would say that's a bit of a stretch, there is climate change, it's just not as bad as the "doomsday crowd" thinks it is...but you know how they are, they'd believe a schizo 15 yr old if she sings their tune...
 
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