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shack

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Hamas should release their hostages as Israel should release all Palestinian prisoners and hostages during a ceasefire.
The ICJ, arm of the UN, whom you say we should always believe, gave no such qualification. It was a clear and direct order that Hamas should immediately return their hostages. They did not say anything about Palestinian prisoners.

Here is proof that you lied when you said we should always follow UN rulings.
 

toguy5252

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The ICJ, arm of the UN, whom you say we should always believe, gave no such qualification. It was a clear and direct order that Hamas should immediately return their hostages. They did not say anything about Palestinian prisoners.

Here is proof that you lied when you said we should always follow UN rulings.
Why do you bother with facts.
 

Frankfooter

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The ICJ, arm of the UN, whom you say we should always believe, gave no such qualification. It was a clear and direct order that Hamas should immediately return their hostages. They did not say anything about Palestinian prisoners.

Here is proof that you lied when you said we should always follow UN rulings.
No, the ICJ gives orders through 'provisional measures' and the orders were only directed at Israel.
Israel was ordered to not commit genocide.
They will go to trial for genocide and be known as a pariah state.


 

shack

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No, the ICJ gives orders through 'provisional measures' and the orders were only directed at Israel.
That is clearly a lie by you, #1948003

Provisional measures only means that it's a warning. It is not an order of any kind. It has no penalties or sanctions associated with it.

This is very different than the DIRECT ORDER that Hamas was given to immediately return all hostages. There were no qualifiers. Just a clear and direct order to take immediate action.

One is a warning (to Israel) and one is an order (to Hamas). Clearly an order is more urgent than a warning.

From the ICJ:
The list of provisional measures ordered by the ICJ differs from those requested by South Africa. Among others, the ICJ did not order Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza,

STOP LYING FRANK.

Only Hamas was given an order of any kind. It must be obeyed.
 

Frankfooter

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That is clearly a lie by you, #1948003

Provisional measures only means that it's a warning. It is not an order of any kind. It has no penalties or sanctions associated with it.

This is very different than the DIRECT ORDER that Hamas was given to immediately return all hostages. There were no qualifiers. Just a clear and direct order to take immediate action.

One is a warning (to Israel) and one is an order (to Hamas). Clearly an order is more urgent than a warning.

From the ICJ:
The list of provisional measures ordered by the ICJ differs from those requested by South Africa. Among others, the ICJ did not order Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza,

STOP LYING FRANK.

Only Hamas was given an order of any kind. It must be obeyed.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.



Gaza: Israel must implement Provisional Measures ordered by the International Court Of Justice
26/01/2024

The ICJ welcomes today’s near-unanimous Order of the International Court of Justice (the Court) in the case of South Africa v. Israel, indicating provisional measures under the 1948 Genocide Convention (the Convention).



“Through this Order, the world’s highest judicial authority has acknowledged that there is a risk of genocide being committed in Gaza,” said Said Benarbia, MENA Programme Director of the International Commission of Jurists. It is now incumbent on Israel to implement the provisional measures – as well as its obligations under the United Nations Charter – as a matter of urgency.”
 

shack

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Gaza: Israel must implement Provisional Measures ordered by the International Court Of Justice
26/01/2024
They were warned not to do certain things. There was no order to DO anything. As opposed to Hamas who were directly, unambiguously and with no qualifications to return the hostages.

An order is more urgent than a warning.

The ICJ welcomes today’s near-unanimous Order Warning
(a provisional measure is not an order. It is less than an order)
of the International Court of Justice (the Court) in the case of South Africa v. Israel, indicating provisional measures under the 1948 Genocide Convention (the Convention).
The list of provisional measures ordered by the ICJ differs from those requested by South Africa. Among others, the ICJ did not order Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza, as requested by Israel.

That means that the ICJ agreed to Israel's request and at the same time rejected S. Africa's request.

“Through this Order, the world’s highest judicial authority has acknowledged that there is a risk of genocide
AKA, it hasn't happened.

“It is now incumbent on Israel to implement the provisional measures – as well as its obligations under the United Nations Charter – as a matter of urgency.”
AKA, urgently be aware that we've warned you, but we acknowledge you haven't done what we're warning you what not to do.

Here is what an unqualified, unambiguous actual order looks like. RETURN THE HOSTAGES IMMEDIATELY. An order is more urgent than a warning.
 

shack

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No, the ICJ gives orders through 'provisional measures' and the orders were only directed at Israel.
Israel was ordered to not commit genocide.
Israel was warned to not do something. Hamas was ordered to correct a crime they'd already committed. Thanks for your doublespeak Big Brother but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
 

Frankfooter

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They were warned not to do certain things. There was no order to DO anything. As opposed to Hamas who were directly, unambiguously and with no qualifications to return the hostages.

An order is more urgent than a warning.


(a provisional measure is not an order. It is less than an order)
The list of provisional measures ordered by the ICJ differs from those requested by South Africa. Among others, the ICJ did not order Israel to immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza, as requested by Israel.

That means that the ICJ agreed to Israel's request and at the same time rejected S. Africa's request.

AKA, it hasn't happened.


AKA, urgently be aware that we've warned you, but we acknowledge you haven't done what we're warning you what not to do.

Here is what an unqualified, unambiguous actual order looks like. RETURN THE HOSTAGES IMMEDIATELY. An order is more urgent than a warning.
They were ordered to not commit genocide, to prevent killing Palestinians in Gaza, allow all aid through and stop all those who incite genocide through the provisional measures.

As a Hasbara troll you are really sad and pathetic.
Repeating endless falsehood only works for MAGA and DoFo supporters.
 

Frankfooter

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Israel was warned to not do something. Hamas was ordered to correct a crime they'd already committed. Thanks for your doublespeak Big Brother but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Ok, shack.

Prove it with quotes from the ICJ ruling.
Don't forget to quote the provisional measures.

Unless you're totally full of shit and lying your face off, in that case I'd expect you to continue as usual.
Your choice.
 

shack

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They were ordered to not commit genocide, to prevent killing Palestinians in Gaza, allow all aid through and stop all those who incite genocide through the provisional measures.
You say tomato, etc., etc. Same difference. Either way you word it, it's a warning to not do something. It's not a declaration or condemnation that has done something.

The only relevant point is that there has been no ruling or judgement or declaration that Israel has actually committed genocide. However, the ICJ clearly determined/ruled/judged that Hamas did indeed commit the war crime of taking civilian hostages and they gave Hamas a direct order to return them. Not a warning.
As a Hasbara troll you are really sad and pathetic.
But in your warped mind Israel, not committing genocide is worse that Hamas committing the war crime of taking hostages.

Pathetic, indeed.

Repeating endless falsehood only works for MAGA and DoFo supporters.
Like repeating genocide, colonialism, Zionism, Nazi, Netanyahu, ceasefire, pariah state, just wait until, blah, blah, blah? Take your own advice.
 
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Frankfooter

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You say tomato, etc., etc. Same difference. Either way you word it, it's a warning to not do something. It's not a declaration or condemnation that has done something.

The only relevant point is that there has been no ruling or judgement or declaration that Israel has actually committed genocide. However, the ICJ clearly determined/ruled/judged that Hamas did indeed commit the war crime of taking civilian hostages and they gave Hamas a direct order to return them. Not a warning.

But in your warped mind Israel, not committing genocide is worse that Hamas committing the war crime of taking hostages.

Pathetic, indeed.

Like repeating genocide, colonialism, Zionism, Nazi, Netanyahu, ceasefire, pariah state, just wait until, blah, blah, blah? Take your own advice.
No, its not the same difference.
The only ICJ rulings that can be taken to the UN if they are ignored are the Provisional Measures.
They are the only ones with any weight and they were all directed at Israel.

Its even in their summary when SA went back to the ICJ, they said the original provisional measures are enough and they didn't need 'additional provisional measures'.

Dig your head in the sand deeper next time.

 

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next on anti-jewish terrorist files......



BBC Journalists ‘Like’ Videos Celebrating Hamas Terror Attacks



BBC plunged into new bias row after journalists behind damning report accusing Israeli soldiers of beating and humiliating medics 'like' videos celebrating Hamas terror attacks

  • BBC Arabic reporters Soha Ibrahim and Marie-Jose Al Azzi credited with story
  • Ms Al Azzi described Israel as a 'terrorist apartheid state' in a post from 2018


BBC journalists behind a damning report which accused Israeli soldiers of beating and humiliating medics at a Gaza hospital have 'liked' videos celebrating Hamas terror attacks and anti-Israel posts online.

The story last week led to worldwide condemnation of Israel, and was called 'very disturbing' by Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron who called for 'answers'.

Now The Mail on Sunday can reveal concerns about the views of two BBC Arabic reporters, Soha Ibrahim and Marie-Jose Al Azzi, who were credited with working on the story.


Earlier this month Ms Ibrahim liked a video on X of Palestine Action activists slashing an oil painting of former British prime minister Arthur Balfour, who helped pave the way for the creation of Israel. On the day of the Hamas attacks on October 7, she 'liked' videos of people in Lebanon and Tunisia chanting, dancing and waving Palestinian flags in the street in apparent celebration.

London-based Ms Ibrahim, who has worked for the BBC for 12 years, also liked another post on X on October 7 which celebrated 'the first of the martyrs of the operation'. The tweet featured a picture of an Egyptian man who was killed after shooting dead three Israeli soldiers last June.


Ms Ibrahim also liked a video of Egyptian football fans chanting 'we sacrifice our souls, our blood for Palestine' following the attacks.

Meanwhile Ms Al Azzi, who has worked at the BBC since 2019 and is based in Lebanon, described Israel as a 'terrorist apartheid state' in a post from 2018 that has since been deleted, according to anti-Semitism researchers.


Last week's BBC report also credited a freelance photo journalist Muath Al Khatib, based in Jerusalem, who works part-time for WAFA, the Palestinian state news agency.

He previously made an anti-Jewish post on Facebook while on holiday in Thailand in 2016. 'I'm fleeing from the city to the Far East, and I find more Jews than locals on the island on Ko Pha Ngan,' he wrote.

Jewish Tory MP Andrew Percy called the BBC 'institutionally Israel-phobic', saying: 'The fact they are using reporters who appear to be openly hostile to Israel and potentially openly hostile to Jews, again demonstrates the issues the BBC has here on reporting this conflict fairly.'

He appeared to take a swipe at Lord Cameron's quick intervention, saying the revelations are a 'timely reminder to all ministers and politicians to be very careful about commenting on reports before it's clear what the facts are and who is behind them'.

Danny Cohen, the former director of BBC television, claimed the BBC does 'not carry out the most basic checks on their journalists', adding: 'It makes a mockery of the BBC's commitment to impartiality.'

Critics last night said the posts plunged the BBC into a fresh impartiality row. It has faced fury over its initial failure to label Hamas as terrorists following October 7, and its misreporting of a Hamas strike on a Gaza hospital, which a BBC journalist falsely claimed was an Israeli missile.

BBC plunged into new bias row after journalists behind damning report accusing Israeli soldiers of beating and humiliating medics 'like' videos celebrating Hamas terror attacks | Daily Mail Online
 
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