Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures

basketcase

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At least you are finally admitting you don't care shit about human rights.
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Wow your claims are moronic. I am consistent in applying my standards to human rights while your interpretation is solely on whether you can use it to demonize Israel.

You don't care that Hamas rejected the US/Egyptian/Qatari negotiated ceasefire, you don't care that Hamas puts the destruction of the Jewish presence ahead of the survival of Gazans, and you don't care about human rights or even the opinions of Palestinians.

It is clear as you see yourself as Frank Atreides, the white guy the Arabs need to tell them how to act while in reality you are simply using them to push your own corrupt agenda.
 

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Really? You're arguing that a zionist meeting in a synagogue about buying real estate in the Occupied Territories was open to Canadian Palestinians on land that Palestinians aren't allowed to buy,...
Sad that you feel the need to lie about easily found facts. Unlike under the PA, there is absolutely no religious or national restrictions on who can buy land.

You and most of the anti-Israel crowd simply don't think Jews belong so you need to lie about it.
 

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Its not a real ceasefire.
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Seems that denying reality is your main topic these days. You claim there have been no peace plans, no ceasefires, and no Palestinians who commit terrorism.

The US, Qatar, and Egypt all disagree with you. You are simply making excuses for Hamas. A ceasefire means an agreement to stop fighting and humans see it as an opportunity to help people in need and use the time to negotiate the next step. Based on direct statements from Hamas and from their behaviour in talks, they have made it clear that they think the threat to Israel's Jews, the PR battle, and the hope for violence at Al Aqsa are their primary goal. And you are just like them, happily cheering on Palestinians suffering just so you can continue your attacks on the Jewish presence.
 

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The ICJ has ruled through provisional measures that Israel must not commit genocide and in particular to prevent killing Palestinians in Gaza and allow all aid through.
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Thanks. You finally seem to understand that the ICJ has NOT ruled Israel has committed genocide, simply told Israel not to.
 

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Zionism is a 19th century colonial settler movement.
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Only for people too stupid to look at the actual history.

On the other hand, Canada is the definition of a colonial entity where we are all settlers benefitting directly from the genocide and continued systemic oppression of the indigenous people. And you are happy to minimize and excuse it because a) you can't blame Jews and b) admitting it makes you uncomfortable.
 
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This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone argue there are different 'branches' of zionism.
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Because you're too indoctrinated with racist hatred to accept the fact that Jews, just like other people, have a huge diversity of opinions.

Even the vast majority of Israelis in organizations like B'Tselem and Breaking the Silence think support self-determination for both Jews and Arabs in the region and believe that peace means that both Palestinians and Israeli society have the right to live in peace.

But you and your kind feel the need to demonize an entire population, even while selectively quoting Jews to push your agenda.

Yes, Zionism is a spectrum going from thinking Jews should be allowed to live near their holy sites to believing only Jews should be there. It is completely normal to condemn the religious extremists but at the same time you endorse Hamas and Palestinian factions that have the mirror opinion of the most extreme zionists.
 

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Yet you outright oppose peace negotiations. Guess you don't want a permanent solution other than what Hamas is attempting.
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There have been no peace negotiations for over a decade, only more land theft and killing.
Denmark slams Israel’s plans to expand West Bank settlements

Denmark’s Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen has joined a chorus of international condemnation of Israel’s approval of new settlement units in the occupied West Bank.


 
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shack

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You live in the zone of interest, do you?

People all around the world are trying to stop the zionist genocide.
Talk is cheap. Just like you, they remain at home because you don't have the courage to go there and volunteer to fight for the cause that you laughingly claim is so important to you. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians and Americans volunteered to fight the nazis, while you are an insignificant and immaterial keyboard warrior. You're as brave a trump with his bone spurs. Why don't you fight those "Zionist nazis"?
 

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Talk is cheap. Just like you, they remain at home because you don't have the courage to go there and volunteer to fight for the cause that you laughingly claim is so important to you. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians and Americans volunteered to fight the nazis, while you are an insignificant and immaterial keyboard warrior. You're as brave a trump with his bone spurs. Why don't you fight those "Zionist nazis"?
Because I back the rule of law and not genocide, shack.
Its only zionists these days who think that the only way to prove you are right is by killing women and children and taking their land.

 
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shack

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Because I back the rule of law and not genocide, shack.
Its only zionists these days who think that the only way to prove you are right is by killing women and children and taking their land.
Which is analogous to WWII when thousands upon thousands of Canadians volunteered to fight the Nazis (of which you compare Israel to.) Why don't you go to Gaza to help. Why do all those protestors chant in the streets and not bolster the ranks of Hamas. Maybe you, and all the others are just like trump i.e., you have bone spurs AKA you are cowards and have no true conviction to the cause. Look how many Canadians fought for the cause of WWII. They had conviction.
 

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Which is analogous to WWII when thousands upon thousands of Canadians volunteered to fight the Nazis (of which you compare Israel to.) Why don't you go to Gaza to help. Why do all those protestors chant in the streets and not bolster the ranks of Hamas. Maybe you, and all the others are just like trump i.e., you have bone spurs AKA you are cowards and have no true conviction to the cause. Look how many Canadians fought for the cause of WWII. They had conviction.
Only zionists think you need to kill people to show you support something.
What next, say supporting Palestinian rights doesn't count unless you steal someone's home too?
 

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Which is analogous to WWII when thousands upon thousands of Canadians volunteered to fight the Nazis (of which you compare Israel to.) Why don't you go to Gaza to help. Why do all those protestors chant in the streets and not bolster the ranks of Hamas. Maybe you, and all the others are just like trump i.e., you have bone spurs AKA you are cowards and have no true conviction to the cause. Look how many Canadians fought for the cause of WWII. They had conviction.
Because the fantasy is to "be an anti war protestor and have a sign and march in the streets" like the 60's anti Vietnam kids.
 

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Sorry but every time peace talks have been mentioned, you've made excuses for why it was a bad idea. Instead you insist Palestinians be forced into a One State peace that only 5% of Palestinians want and is rejected by all the guys with the guns.

You have never pushed for talks because you don't want Israel to exist and you don't think Palestinians are capable of making their own choices.
 

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Because I back the rule of law ...
Except when it applies to Palestinian groups.

BTW. Rule of law would mean Hamas immediately and unconditionally releasing their hostages like the ICC and ICJ have said but you argue against that.
 

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Except when it applies to Palestinian groups.

BTW. Rule of law would mean Hamas immediately and unconditionally releasing their hostages like the ICC and ICJ have said but you argue against that.
Hamas should release their hostages as Israel should release all Palestinian prisoners and hostages during a ceasefire.
Then bring in the investigators and charge both sides for all war crimes committed.

That's the rule of law.

Sorry but every time peace talks have been mentioned, you've made excuses for why it was a bad idea. Instead you insist Palestinians be forced into a One State peace that only 5% of Palestinians want and is rejected by all the guys with the guns.

You have never pushed for talks because you don't want Israel to exist and you don't think Palestinians are capable of making their own choices.
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Israel is the military occupier.
Its up to them to end the occupation.
Though its up to the world to end zionist rule and genocide through boycotts and sanctions now.

 
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