I'm a Leaf fans as well and I'm not trolling. Hardcore Leaf fans are ignorant homers and every year believe that they're winning the cup. They don't have the goaltending or defence to make a serious run at it.That's my honest take.
Leafs 2023-2024 Thread
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Keep the faith. Anything can happen in the playoffs. In 1993 everyone thought the Leafs had no chance vs Detroit but the Leafs went to the Conference finals where Kerry Fraser (he even admits it today) fucked up a call.
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Vancouver 91 pts, 1 pt behind Florida. Vegas 75 pts, currently 8th seed in the West. Possible 1st round matchup.
Playoff betting odds Vegas ranked 5th. Vancouver is ranked 9th tied with Toronto and Winnipeg.
Regular season is not the playoffs. Interestingly Boston is also 1 pt behind Florida and is ranked 8th
Vegas is also just as likely to play Edmonton in the first round since LA and Vegas both currently have 75 pts.
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Playoff betting odds Vegas ranked 5th. Vancouver is ranked 9th tied with Toronto and Winnipeg.
Regular season is not the playoffs. Interestingly Boston is also 1 pt behind Florida and is ranked 8th
Vegas is also just as likely to play Edmonton in the first round since LA and Vegas both currently have 75 pts.
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There is a small chance that Vegas won't make playoffs, if they miss the playoffs that would be something after all the deals that they made.
Ryan O'Reilly chose not to stay with the Leafs and signed in Nashville.
He's the top center in Nashville with 24 goals and 56 pts. Cap hit 4.5 million
Nashville is 8-0-2 in their last 10. The team is on fire.
For comparison Tavares this season has 20 goals and 46 pts. Cap hit 11 million.
Both Tavares and O'Rielly are 33 years of age.
O'Rielly averages about 20 min per game and about 2 min on the PK and is a +7
Tavares averages 18 min per game and does not do PK and is a -3
Leafs just traded for Dewar specifically for his PK
O'Rielly also averages more PP time than Tavares.
Leafs traded a 1st round draft pick for O'Rielly.
When the Leafs had O'Rielly they moved Tavares to LW.
Imagine the Leafs if they had O'Rielly rather than Tavares as their 2nd line center with money left over.
Imagine further if Leafs instead of Bertuzzi kept Hyman. Both with cap hit of 5.5 million.
Hyman was also an exceptional defensive player for the Leafs. They could use a guy like that for the PK
He's the top center in Nashville with 24 goals and 56 pts. Cap hit 4.5 million
Nashville is 8-0-2 in their last 10. The team is on fire.
For comparison Tavares this season has 20 goals and 46 pts. Cap hit 11 million.
Both Tavares and O'Rielly are 33 years of age.
O'Rielly averages about 20 min per game and about 2 min on the PK and is a +7
Tavares averages 18 min per game and does not do PK and is a -3
Leafs just traded for Dewar specifically for his PK
O'Rielly also averages more PP time than Tavares.
Leafs traded a 1st round draft pick for O'Rielly.
When the Leafs had O'Rielly they moved Tavares to LW.
Imagine the Leafs if they had O'Rielly rather than Tavares as their 2nd line center with money left over.
Imagine further if Leafs instead of Bertuzzi kept Hyman. Both with cap hit of 5.5 million.
Hyman was also an exceptional defensive player for the Leafs. They could use a guy like that for the PK
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You're guilty of projecting. Because every hardcore Leaf fan I know thinks the same as I do. That this team is not built to win 4 rounds in the playoffs.
Yes O'Reilly has more points and a better plus minus. But he also plays an average of 2 more minutes per game. That's pretty substantial. Tavares beats him in several other counting categories. He has a 59.9% faceoff win percentage, O'Reilly is 54.5%. Tavares has dished out 95 hits to O'Reilly's 24. Tavares has 223 shots on goal to O'Reilly's 154.
Also O'Reilly plays on the top line with Filip Forsberg and Gustav Nyquist who both have accumulated more points than him.
Besides his rookie season this is JT's worse points per game production of his career. I would say part of that is due to less ice time, particularly on the PP. But also due to not having the best complementary line mates. I always though he gelled better with Marner than he does with Nylander. And his other winger has been a rotating cycle throughout the season - Robertson, Knies and now Domi.
Bang for the buck though its pretty easy to say that O'Reilly is the better option.
But O'Reilly also makes less than half of Tavares salary wise and is a little more than a third of the cap hit. Nothing wrong with Tavares or his salary but that money would've been better spent on defence which the Leafs clearly lack.
Funny because every hardcore Leafs fan I know says the opposite. They believe Woll is the next Roy and that Max Domi is the next Gretzky.
You are obviously speaking to people who have no grasp on reality and clearly do not know hockey.
Or maybe if they say that Woll is playing pretty well, you interpret it to mean that they believe Woll is the next Roy.
Nothing wrong with Tavares salary? Are you out of your mind. Everything is wrong with his salary. People complain about Nylander's salary and he's making under 7 mill. Marner is making less than Tavares and people think he's overpaid.
Only 3 Centers currently make more than Tavares and they are MacKinnon, McDavid, and McMatthews
What Leafs should do next year is what TB did with Kucherov and Vegas did with Stone. Put Tavares on LTR and get two 5.5 million D for a pairing and have Tavares miraculously heal for the playoffs very well rested.
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I think the Leafs should buy him out and move him into player development or management. JT bleeds blue and white, but its time to hang up the skates. His body just can’t do what it used to do. Yes, he can still win faceoffs but its a teachable skill.
Do you have any surgeries or legit injuries planned for Tavares to start the year, that the NHL will approve?
Kucherov was legit injured and had surgery. Stone is legit injured. The issue is whether they are healthy in the final few weeks of the regular season which then is the cap issue.
Some staff member will need to tonya harding him.
Leafs put Murray on LTR this whole season.
Perhaps this is their Kucherov move.
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