Court has ruled Emergencies Act during Trucker convoy was unconstitutional

[Skoob]

Wrong about polls, stats and the numbers needed to make them work.

Nothing wrong with the poll metrics I based my opinion on.

Explain how someone can be wrong about something that does not have a right or wrong answer?

 

[Frankfooter]

Nothing wrong with the poll metrics I based my opinion on.

Explain how someone can be wrong about something that does not have a right or wrong answer?

You think there are no wrong answers in stats?

 

[Skoob]

You think there are no wrong answers in stats?

In the polling methodology. Many ways to do it. Nothing wrong with what I suggested.
Try and keep up.

 

[Frankfooter]

In the polling methodology. Many ways to do it. Nothing wrong with what I suggested.
Try and keep up.

Sure, there's the right way and the skooby way to do things.
Lots of ways.

 

[Not getting younger]

Because it isn't really correct.

In that poll (same as the "Go Home" poll), 65% of Canadians thought Trudeau made the protest situation worse.
That's not the same as blaming him for it.

Since the poll was conducted before the invocation of the Emergency Act, it has nothing to say about that particular issue.



It's also important to remember that even if that Angus Reid poll from Feb 2022 said that 65% of Canadians blamed Trudeau, that wouldn't tell you much about what people think now.

You can interpret that the terrible polls show you most people blame him, but that's just an inference.

I would suggest that’s splitting hairs and semantics.

If you throw gas on a fire.
Have you made it worse and can I blame you for making it worse?

 

[Valcazar]

Angus

Ok so we can agree to disagree.
btw the Angus Reid poll uses their own forum of participants. In essence a closed group of potential respondents. Too confining in my opinion. Many of the large polling companies use similar closed forum members.
It's not as holistic as people think especially when surveying and reporting on millions of people in a country.

A well known issue.
Which is why they have weighting.
Which is why worrying over margin of error is a waste of time when the weighting assumptions are a much more significant error issue.

 

[Valcazar]

I would suggest that’s splitting hairs and semantics.

If you throw gas on a fire.
Have you made it worse and can I blame you for making it worse?

You can blame whomever for whatever.
I am pointing out what the poll actually found.

 

[roddermac]

You can blame whomever for whatever.
I am pointing out what the poll actually found.

A poll of less than 1700 people.

 

[Not getting younger]

You can blame whomever for whatever.
I am pointing out what the poll actually found.

I know. The poll found 65% found he made it worse. Blamed him for throwing gas on a fire. Therefore spilling hairs and semantics.

 

[Valcazar]

A poll of less than 1700 people.

Yes.
A well-conducted poll with clearly reported methodology.

I know. The poll found 65% found he made it worse. Blamed him for throwing gas on a fire. Therefore spilling hairs and semantics.

And the poll found lots of other people made it worse as well.

 

[Skoob]

A well known issue.
Which is why they have weighting.
Which is why worrying over margin of error is a waste of time when the weighting assumptions are a much more significant error issue.

Ok then rather than focusing on a subjective poll, which can have many variables, let's just stick to what the court verdict was based on the laws of the land.
Otherwise, scrutinizing verdicts based on public opinion would be one step closer to anarchy.
Makes sense?

 

[Valcazar]

Ok then rather than focusing on a subjective poll, which can have many variables, let's just stick to what the court verdict was based on the laws of the land.
Otherwise, scrutinizing verdicts based on public opinion would be one step closer to anarchy.
Makes sense?

I have no interest in saying that the legal decision doesn't matter just because people supported the decision when it happened.

 

[roddermac]

I have no interest in saying that the legal decision doesn't matter just because people supported the decision when it happened.

That's because JT Freeland(oxymoron) Medincino and the media reported it was a terrorist organization backed Putin

 

[Frankfooter]

Ok then rather than focusing on a subjective poll, which can have many variables, let's just stick to what the court verdict was based on the laws of the land.
Otherwise, scrutinizing verdicts based on public opinion would be one step closer to anarchy.
Makes sense?

Is this a position that only applies to liberals or are you willing to call out DoFo for his charter violations as well?

 

[Not getting younger]

Yes.
A well-conducted poll with clearly reported methodology.



And the poll found lots of other people made it worse as well.

Just one point that isn’t splitting hairs. Not other people. They did not ask the same questions of a different sample group.

The same people.

And at the end of the day. A judge has rendered his decision.

 

[Skoob]

Is this a position that only applies to liberals or are you willing to call out DoFo for his charter violations as well?

Why are you injecting DoFo into a thread about the court verdict against the Liberals violating the charter?

More distraction?

If you want to continue your obsession with DoFo start your own thread.

Jeezus it's chronic with you...get help.

 

[Frankfooter]

Why are you injecting DoFo into a thread about the court verdict against the Liberals violating the charter?

More distraction?

If you want to continue your obsession with DoFo start your own thread.

Jeezus it's chronic with you...get help.

Just clarifying if this is another stupid partisan attack or if you actually care about holding all politicians to the same laws and rules.
Clearly its just partisan because you get very, very upset every time its brought up.

 

[Frankfooter]

Why are you injecting DoFo into a thread about the court verdict against the Liberals violating the charter?

More distraction?

If you want to continue your obsession with DoFo start your own thread.

Jeezus it's chronic with you...get help.

Just clarifying if this is another partisan attack or if you actually care about holding all politicians to the same laws and rules.
Clearly its just partisan because you get very, very upset every time its brought up.

 

[Valcazar]

Just one point that isn’t splitting hairs. Not other people. They did not ask the same questions of a different sample group.

The same people.

Yes.
And those people thought lots of things were making it worse.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 65%
Ontario Premier Doug Ford 50%
Alberta Premier Jason Kenney 49%
Interim Opposition leader Candice Bergen 42%
Ottawa Police 45%
The Ontario Provincial Police 35%

For every single one of those groups, more people thought they were making it worse than making it better.

And at the end of the day. A judge has rendered his decision.

Indeed.
Which has nothing to do with this poll.

(This poll actually had more people in favor of using force to break up the protest than negotiation, as you know.)

 

[Not getting younger]

Just clarifying if this is another stupid partisan attack or if you actually care about holding all politicians to the same laws and rules.
Clearly its just partisan because you get very, very upset every time its brought up.

all you do is interject and deflect with Trump, Ford, PeePee or Gaza. When have you ever said boo abou

Yes.
And those people thought lots of things were making it worse.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 65%
Ontario Premier Doug Ford 50%
Alberta Premier Jason Kenney 49%
Interim Opposition leader Candice Bergen 42%
Ottawa Police 45%
The Ontario Provincial Police 35%

For every single one of those groups, more people thought they were making it worse than making it better.



Indeed.
Which has nothing to do with this poll.

(This poll actually had more people in favor of using force to break up the protest than negotiation, as you know.)

Not sure why you are trying to debate this, when it’s pretty straightforward.

A) how many thought they overstayed
B) how many blamed Trudeau

C) what did a fucking federal judge decide. Do your opinion and prevarications, count for shit when a judge decides someone is guilty of abc?

Especially
Not having the legal cause to lower the boom, or some measures used. And it’s also obvious the judge agrees with the 65%