Court has ruled Emergencies Act during Trucker convoy was unconstitutional

[Frankfooter]

fyi That photo is misleading.
There were hundreds of people there and they marched peacefully through the city and just didn't hang out in front of the parliament buildings the whole day.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/loca...ll-for-two-year-anniversary-of-emergencys-act

Here a video showing the march...
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/c2869284-hundreds-gather-for--freedom-convoy--anniversary?playlistId=1.6278633&__vfz=medium=sharebar

Wow, so big.
It took two years to raise that crowd?

Palestine gets this every week in most cities across the country and world.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1758937013242220964

 

[Not getting younger]

They have lots of information on how they do their surveys.

How we poll -

The Angus Reid Institute conducts its polling entirely through online research— surveys or studies conducted on the Internet via a personal computer, tablet or smartphone. We have made the decision to conduct our research solely through online means because traditional telephone based approaches...

angusreid.org

Generally, a survey has a target population that they are trying to draw insights on. That target population will be defined in the survey parameters - could be all adults, just teens, etc, etc.

It looks like Angus Reid aims to target all adult Canadians in their surveys.

Random surveys work by choosing a random subset of the population, and using that small sample to make assessments of the views of the whole target population. By choosing the sample randomly, researchers can get very accurate predictions from a relatively small sample. They will also take care to make sure the sample is balanced across known characteristics like income, etc, so the random sample has a better chance of being representative.

All of this to say that over 70% of canadians wanted the protests over with.

And 65% blamed Trudeau for the way he did it.
Funny how everyone is glossing over that factoid.

 

[Skoob]

Wow, so big.
It took two years to raise that crowd?

Palestine gets this every week in most cities across the country and world.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1758937013242220964

Considering it's an anniversary 2 years later it's pretty good. No?

 

[Frankfooter]

Considering it's an anniversary 2 years later it's pretty good. No?

No.

Its pathetic if that's the biggest crowd you can manage.

 

[Skoob]

No.

Its pathetic if that's the biggest crowd you can manage.

Why would they need a bigger crowd 2 years later? It's not really a protest at this point, but more of a celebration.
At least they're commemorating something going on in their own country and perhaps a bit of an F.U. to the to the government that violated their rights.

 

[benstt]

So is cost of conducting the poll more important than a more accurate outcome? Your main argument here is how much more expensive it would be?
I didn't factor that into my opinion or I would have said that they should have increased the sample size and incurred a higher cost to do so.

Then why not survey the whole population?

 

[Not getting younger]

No.

Its pathetic if that's the biggest crowd you can manage.

if you want big crowds protesting, try this on for size. No doubt a judges decision has squat to do with it. Are you aware prior to that decision 65% of Canadians blamed him already?

Conservatives see slight dip in polls, but maintain commanding lead over Liberals

Conservatives maintaining commanding lead in the polls.

www.thestar.com

And this. I’m thinking Nanos knows just a wee bit more about polls and big protest than you.

 

[Frankfooter]

if you want big crowds protesting, try this on for size. No doubt a judges decision has squat to do with it. Are you aware prior to that decision 65% of Canadians blamed him already?

Conservatives see slight dip in polls, but maintain commanding lead over Liberals

Conservatives maintaining commanding lead in the polls.

www.thestar.com

And this. I’m thinking Nanos knows just a wee bit more about polls and big protest than you.

PeePee is campaigning.
Nobody else is as there is no election.

Same thing happened for the last 5 con leaders who lost to the libs.

 

[Skoob]

Then why not survey the whole population?

You wouldn't have to if the MoE was lower.

 

[shane4]

Is the government going to appeal this decision?

What will it reach the Supreme Court of Canada?

 

[Skoob]

Is the government going to appeal this decision?

What will it reach the Supreme Court of Canada?

They' are going to appeal it because that's what they have to do, to make it look like the verdict was incorrect. How far into the courts I'm not sure.
Either way, they're most likely hoping it will take longer than when the next election happens.

 

[Not getting younger]

They' are going to appeal it because that's what they have to do, to make it look like the verdict was incorrect. How far into the courts I'm not sure.
Either way, they're most likely hoping it will take longer than when the next election happens.

or the lawyers and bean counters decide the lawsuits are cheaper to settle. And let’s not forget 65% of the public. Blame them.

 

[Valcazar]

I have stated that the nature of this poll would be special which is why a larger sample size would be warranted in my opinion.
For example, what if they polled people who were directly affected by the protest as part of that smaller sample size?

Do you not understand that they track where they get the responses from?

Just by random sample alone you would expect 50-60 people who were Ottawa residents in a nationwide poll.
But you do know that they report all this, right?

https://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.14_Trucker_Protest_tables.pdf

The sample breakdown is in the poll.

You can see various polls of different types and the results vary.

Yes.
Exactly my point.
Insisting on a false precision in a single poll is just not worth it or useful because the swings just from interpretation of the data and the swings from time period to time period, that precision you think you got for that larger sample size is rendered moot.

This was the article I had responded to: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/nearly-three-quarters-of-canadians-want-convoy-protesters-to-go-home-now-survey-1.5781022

Yes, and they put a link directly to the whole report from Agnus Reid and that document has a pdf of the breakdown. report from Agnus Reid

Here are others with different results:

https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/poll-shows-sharp-divisions-over-emergencies-act-8194173

https://angusreid.org/emergency-act-review-freedom-convoy/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/wha...cies-act-according-to-nanos-polling-1.6758343

Yes.
These are polls from different time periods and asking different questions.

The first one from BayToday earlier this month has NO data about sample size or methodology, so I don't know how you can say the sample size should be bigger - you have no information what the sample size is.
The second is another agnus reid poll, three months after the crisis was resolved, and presents very interesting info about what people thought then. (Notice that the later BayStreet poll seems to show higher approval of the government invoking emergency powers). Again, Agnus Reid gives you LOTS of detail about the poll and how it was done.
The third is from Nanos, also from Feb 2024 and it seems to show us something similar to BayToday in results - more support than Agnus Reid found immediately after. You get some description of the methodology, but again not nearly as much as you get with Agnus Reid.

 

[Valcazar]

And 65% blamed Trudeau for the way he did it.
Funny how everyone is glossing over that factoid.

Because it isn't really correct.

In that poll (same as the "Go Home" poll), 65% of Canadians thought Trudeau made the protest situation worse.
That's not the same as blaming him for it.

Since the poll was conducted before the invocation of the Emergency Act, it has nothing to say about that particular issue.

And let’s not forget 65% of the public. Blame them.

It's also important to remember that even if that Angus Reid poll from Feb 2022 said that 65% of Canadians blamed Trudeau, that wouldn't tell you much about what people think now.

You can interpret that the terrible polls show you most people blame him, but that's just an inference.

 

[Skoob]

Do you not understand that they track where they get the responses from?

Just by random sample alone you would expect 50-60 people who were Ottawa residents in a nationwide poll.
But you do know that they report all this, right?

https://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.14_Trucker_Protest_tables.pdf

The sample breakdown is in the poll.



Yes.
Exactly my point.
Insisting on a false precision in a single poll is just not worth it or useful because the swings just from interpretation of the data and the swings from time period to time period, that precision you think you got for that larger sample size is rendered moot.



Yes, and they put a link directly to the whole report from Agnus Reid and that document has a pdf of the breakdown. report from Agnus Reid



Yes.
These are polls from different time periods and asking different questions.

The first one from BayToday earlier this month has NO data about sample size or methodology, so I don't know how you can say the sample size should be bigger - you have no information what the sample size is.
The second is another agnus reid poll, three months after the crisis was resolved, and presents very interesting info about what people thought then. (Notice that the later BayStreet poll seems to show higher approval of the government invoking emergency powers). Again, Agnus Reid gives you LOTS of detail about the poll and how it was done.
The third is from Nanos, also from Feb 2024 and it seems to show us something similar to BayToday in results - more support than Agnus Reid found immediately after. You get some description of the methodology, but again not nearly as much as you get with Agnus Reid.

Angus

Do you not understand that they track where they get the responses from?

Just by random sample alone you would expect 50-60 people who were Ottawa residents in a nationwide poll.
But you do know that they report all this, right?

https://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.14_Trucker_Protest_tables.pdf

The sample breakdown is in the poll.



Yes.
Exactly my point.
Insisting on a false precision in a single poll is just not worth it or useful because the swings just from interpretation of the data and the swings from time period to time period, that precision you think you got for that larger sample size is rendered moot.



Yes, and they put a link directly to the whole report from Agnus Reid and that document has a pdf of the breakdown. report from Agnus Reid



Yes.
These are polls from different time periods and asking different questions.

The first one from BayToday earlier this month has NO data about sample size or methodology, so I don't know how you can say the sample size should be bigger - you have no information what the sample size is.
The second is another agnus reid poll, three months after the crisis was resolved, and presents very interesting info about what people thought then. (Notice that the later BayStreet poll seems to show higher approval of the government invoking emergency powers). Again, Agnus Reid gives you LOTS of detail about the poll and how it was done.
The third is from Nanos, also from Feb 2024 and it seems to show us something similar to BayToday in results - more support than Agnus Reid found immediately after. You get some description of the methodology, but again not nearly as much as you get with Agnus Reid.

Ok so we can agree to disagree.
btw the Angus Reid poll uses their own forum of participants. In essence a closed group of potential respondents. Too confining in my opinion. Many of the large polling companies use similar closed forum members.
It's not as holistic as people think especially when surveying and reporting on millions of people in a country.

 

[Frankfooter]

Ok so we can agree to disagree.
btw the Angus Reid poll uses their own forum of participants. In essence a closed group of potential respondents. Too confining in my opinion. Many of the large polling companies use similar closed forum members.
It's not as holistic as people think especially when surveying and reporting on millions of people in a country.

What fun, you made another ridiculous claim about polls that you'll be defending for the next couple of weeks.

 

[Skoob]

What fun, you made another ridiculous claim about polls that you'll be defending for the next couple of weeks.

Yes. Defending my opinion is something I like to do especially when it's over a matter of opinion. Is that not what everyone does? I mean your list is very long is it not?

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes. Defending my opinion is something I like to do especially when it's over a matter of opinion. Is that not what everyone does? I mean your list is very long is it not?

But you won't ever admit you are wrong, which means you can never grow.

 

[Skoob]

But you won't ever admit you are wrong, which means you can never grow.

Wrong about my opinion for an issue that does not have a right or wrong answer?

 

[Frankfooter]

Wrong about my opinion for an issue that does not have a right or wrong answer?

Wrong about polls, stats and the numbers needed to make them work.