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Valcazar said:
Guess why I highlighted that word?

Let's see that proof before we demand a shut down of funding.
Fuck, let's just see some convincing evidence if it is going to be a "pause" while people figure out whether or not to continue.

"Israel says so" isn't remotely good enough, especially during an active military campaign.
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Unless Israel is fabricating 100% everything - and it has not yet been challenged on this by any reputable person or organization - I have no difficulty with the "proof" part. One of the eye-opening things about the news coverage was the explicitly anti semitic and jihadi nature of the Gaza education system. Given the involvement of UNWRA with that system, I call it "case proven". Ditto the medical system and the use of hospitals to house terrorist sanctuaries.

It also makes logical sense to accept that an NGO that has survived in a 1-party theocratic state for 25 years, would have become co-opted. That's just reality being reality.

Valcazar said:
Why on earth would the far-right zionist government of Israel pressure itself to remove far right zionist elements from the cabinet?
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Because Israel is a democracy and hopefully the Israeli electorate has a shred of common sense and realizes at some point they and the Palestinian Arabs will have to respect each other and co exist. And that's not going to happen with the current Israeli government.
 
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mandrill said:
In the line of fire: In Gaza, anyone can wind up a 'human shield' (msn.com)
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This is a pretty blatant attempt say killing anyone in Gaza is justified.
Civilian, child, mother, medic, journalist or whatever, they just might have been a human shield.

Its a blatant justification for genocide in the face of massive outrage, global protests and charges of genocide at the ICJ.

This is what a human shield looks like.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1752818623737913534
 
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mandrill said:
Unless Israel is fabricating 100% everything - and it has not yet been challenged on this by any reputable person or organization - I have no difficulty with the "proof" part.
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Israel and the IDF have a long history of fabricating claims.

In 2022 Israel raided 6 NGO's, including Defence for Children International, and labelled them all 'terrorist organizations'. It took a few months for the investigations but eventually the claims were dropped and Israel ended up looking rather bad.

Israel/Palestine: UN experts call on governments to resume funding for six Palestinian CSOs designated by Israel as ‘terrorist organisations’
 
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Butler1000 said:
12 caught SO FAR. What I wonder is how many more were involved in weapons smuggling and diversion of aid to be sold on the black market. As well as used for rocket and tunnel construction instead of to help people. There had to be many more inside. And how many more just shrugged, turned a blind eye and let it happen?

Hence a need for a larger investigation and shutdown in the interm.
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Investigation sure.
Show me evidence of the above before you shutdown everything in the interim.
Also, show me what measures you are putting in place to replace the humanitarian aid involved.

I am perfectly open to UNRWA being corrupt and needing to be shut down.
No agency is immune to becoming corrupt.
But you have to show me more than this.
 
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Butler1000 said:
From the looks of things it could very likely cost him Michigan. 80% muslim vote to him last election, with greater actual votes than what he won the state with. And now the regional leaders shunned the Dem reps who came out and have said they are done with them. I imagine even greater hardlining in the streets.

Georgia had similar numbers albet smaller in totals.
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This cannot cost Fetterman Michigan.
He is a Pennsylvania Senator and is not running in Michigan.

We aren't talking about Biden here.
 
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Valcazar said:
Investigation sure.
Show me evidence of the above before you shutdown everything in the interim.
Also, show me what measures you are putting in place to replace the humanitarian aid involved.

I am perfectly open to UNRWA being corrupt and needing to be shut down.
No agency is immune to becoming corrupt.
But you have to show me more than this.
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I'm sure there is corruption there somewhere.
Show me any organization with 30,000 employees that doesn't have some corrupt workers.

But its also the organization that keeps the records of Right of Return for 5 million Palestinian refugees that Israel would really, really like destroyed.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754095052799058218
 
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