They'll defeat Hamas in a couple of months.
See above.
Then why did you say it will take 10 years and then 2 to 3 generations?
It wipes out Hamas which is what Israeli politics demands now.
What does this mean though?
Every person who is listed on a "Hamas org chart" is dead or captured?
Every person who has expressed a pro-Hamas opinion?
Every person who has expressed an anti-Israeli opinion?
What does "It wipes out Hamas"
mean?
It removes an Islamic terror organization and hierarchy which utterly controls every aspect of Gaza and mass mobilizes the population to hate Israel.
It allows Israel to attempt to substitute another administration in Gaza.
OK, that sounds like a slightly different goal than "wipes out Hamas".
Israel substitutes another administration in Gaza.
But only time and probably a new generation can produce a change of direction in Gaza and it is debatable whether any administration forced on Gaza by the Israelis will have traction. That's the issue.
Completely agreed.
So when Israel installs a puppet regime and it is rejected, what is the answer?
More bombing? Or is it that once the regime change has been effectuated, other methods are now considered reasonable?
But complete destruction of the preceding hate-focussed regime and its forcible replacement by a friendly administration might bring change. Let's use this parallel.
Say in 1943, the USSR and the Allies negotiated a ceasefire with Nazi Germany which allowed Hitler and the Nazi party to remain in power. It is almost certain that Germany would have continued the policies and attitudes that it had before the ceasefire and Germany would likely have started up a new installment of the war in a few years. But Nazi Germany was utterly destroyed and occupied and Germany was forced to install an Allied-friendly government. And in a decade or so, Germany had been transformed into a responsible democratic partner and traces of the former regime and ideology driven underground, if not wiped out.
My guess is that this is what the Israelis are trying to accomplish.
It took 15 years in Germany.
Good example.
You can use Japan as well, but let's stick to Germany.
So here's the question.
Did the US "wipe out" the Nazis?
Who did they actually kill, capture, and imprison?
How much of the leadership?
How much of the people who participated in any way in government?
How many ex-Nazis were part of the West German government over the next 20-30 years?
(Hint - a LOT).
In other words, the Nazi example is kind of at odds with the "Wipe out Hamas" example.
That's all I'm trying to point out here - there seems to be very little thought being given to what comes next here outside of vague and largely meaningless slogans such as "wipe out Hamas".
No. The Hamas leadership should be exterminated and all active Hamas armed militia should be killed or detained. Virtually the entire population cheerleads for Hamas, including the women and kids. Just like the entire population of Nazi Germany cheerleaded for Hitler and der Partei. Most people will re-align their ideas or simply stfu and then adjust to the new reality when Hamas is removed and the Israelis occupy Gaza.
You are advocating for a MORE intense "de-Hamasification" than happened in Nazi Germany then?
The murder of everyone considered "Hamas leadership" without trial and then anyone who ever took up a gun should be killed or arrested?
No amnesty, no sorting of people, and anyone who was a member of the previous government in any way killed or arrested?
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