Yelich has been a slightly above average outfielder the last 4 years. Unless Milwaukee is picking up over two thirds of that awful contract he is not even worth discussing.
Blue Jays Off-Season Moves
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The difference is that we can overpay/outbid if we choose for Bellinger and that can get him here as others will not match if we get high enough.
That wasn’t really an option with Ohtani. We were just purely leverage for him in my view.
The question is do you want to overbid on Bellinger? Ultimately do you want to offer 250 million to Bellinger? Even if you ignore his Alfredo Griffinesque hitting performance in 2021, and his Poor man Daulton Varsho season in 2022, his predictive analytics from how he hit the ball in 2023 aren’t as good as his actual stat line. Don’t get me wrong though he was still very good in 2023.
But apparently his numbers were a bit greater than expected based on how hard he hit the ball and where and how often he put the ball in play. Call them “luck” factors that dont tend to carryover annually. Given that there was some “luck” in his 2023 numbers it makes even more risky when you consider 2021 and 2022.
I would still sign him. Our window is now, he is still only 29. But it’s really risky.
How is Bellinger going to fare on the turf versus grass where he's used to playing?
He has a history of knee and hamstring injuries.
He has a history of knee and hamstring injuries.
That doesn't answer my question. What are their qualifications to be experts? Why should we give a shit what they say?
They look like a couple of doofusses.
I hate Atkins but he has more baseball knowledge than any 10 of us put together.
How many contracts have you negotiated?
How many trades have you made?
How many dressing room have you been in?
Does that make any sense to you?
I didn't say that he's a good GM. No matter how bad he is, he knows infinitely more about being a GM than any of us do.
You wouldn't hear me complain.
However, it doesn't matter who the GM is. They'd just be another Shapeero puppet. That's why AA left. He refused to be a puppet.
Like the management or not (I lean not) you have to give them credit for really good signings they've made. Yes, they've missed on some. Gausman deal is amazing value. Berrios is a solid contract (traded here for 2 "top" prospects who've fallen off a cliff). They signed JA Happ when they first got here and he won 20 games!
Some misses include not trading Donaldson at the right time. Kendrys Morales. The obvious Moreno trade, among others.
I'm not a fan of this off season, so far. I can be swayed with some big moves prior to spring training. That being said, the east had a down year last season. Yankees are stronger, Orioles are in a window, Rays are the Rays & Red Sox will be decent, too. Any combination of Yellich, Arenado, Polanco & another starter & pen arm.
So, basically I'm dreaming & I'm scared to think what this team will look like come opening day
Some misses include not trading Donaldson at the right time. Kendrys Morales. The obvious Moreno trade, among others.
I'm not a fan of this off season, so far. I can be swayed with some big moves prior to spring training. That being said, the east had a down year last season. Yankees are stronger, Orioles are in a window, Rays are the Rays & Red Sox will be decent, too. Any combination of Yellich, Arenado, Polanco & another starter & pen arm.
So, basically I'm dreaming & I'm scared to think what this team will look like come opening day
While I like Bellinger a lot and he's still only 28, $240 million price tag is insane. I think a 7 year $168 million deal is more appropriate - that's $24 million a season. He was making $17.5 million in 2023.
Also like Bellinger. Can't justify that kind of term & $$.
We'll have some big $$ decisions coming up with Vlad & Bo. Bellinger was NL MVP a few years back then numbers took a dive. I'd do an incentive based deal with Bellinger, but I'm sure the Cubs or Yanks will give him tons of cash with no strings attached
You can't can evaluate that trade for a few more years, regardless of how bad it looks now.
Purely from the perspective of a fan, let 'em overspend as much as possible. I want a team that can contend for the division, at least. It's not my fuck'n money and I'm not the GM. I want entertainment and excitement.
There's no hard cap in baseball. I'm not sure why any fan should care if they overspend or not. Rogers is flush with cash. They should have outbid the Dodgers. Everybody has a price, including Ohtani.
As well, these guys have had 8 years already. It's closing in on a decade. That's more than enough time to deliver on their promises to the fans who have been super loyal. I wonder how much ticket prices will have gone up in that time once they announce this year's increases.
Let them spend, spend, spend. And then spend some more. The fans deserve it and should be demanding it.
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That sounds like a summer school course that studies the works of Homer Simpson. LOL
Merry Christmas everyone. It is starting to feel like the Jays are doing a whole lot of nothing.
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Philip
Phil. How can you possibly say that?
They're doing the renovations to justify big price increases.
Merry Christmas.
lol. Well at least they still have that poutine hotdog. The thing that tastes like a really bad accident happened at Harvy’s by your third bite.
Philip
Pujols with the Angels was a 1 WAR player average for his tenure there. Ohtani has really only been valuable these last 3 years -- which with unfortunate timing, has also been Trout's less productive years.
They went after big acquisitions around these guys but they were bad moves and haven't panned out; ie Rendon, Tyler Anderson, etc etc
