Multiply that by the 18,000 Palestinians murdered after this occurred and multiple thousands that occurred before and you’ll know the plight of Palestinians
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Multiply that by the 18,000 Palestinians murdered after this occurred and multiple thousands that occurred before and you’ll know the plight of Palestinians
They're not murdered, Klatuu, in the sense that the 7 October victims were cruelly and brutally murdered. The Palestinians were killed in a war. Difference.
And that 18,000 figure is sketchy to say the least.
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frank's refusal to acknowledge this is proof positive that he supports the killing of thousands of more Palestinians.
He has given no logical answer why he would reject your suggestion and instead wait for months or years for sanctions and negotiations to take place.
Until he does, we can accurately claim that frank wants more Gazan deaths for no other reason than to demonize Israel. It is not a lie to say so, until that time. Repeating your support for BDS and negotiations does not explain why. You have been unwilling to explain your position.
He doesn't give a shit about the Palestinians in Gaza.
Authoritarians will be authoritarian, I guess.
This war has split the Board and Canadian society.
What is ironical is that the segment of the Jewish population that used to get on their high horse and yell racism/racist whenever a Muslim is criticized (even with valid reason(s)) are now the strongest critic of Muslims post October 7th..
What is ironical is that the segment of the Jewish population that used to get on their high horse and yell racism/racist whenever a Muslim is criticized (even with valid reason(s)) are now the strongest critic of Muslims post October 7th..
More apartheid from you.
If Israel has a right to self defense from terrorist attacks why don't Hamas and Palestinians have a right to self defense from the 238 settler terrorist attacks previous to Oct? 200 Palestinians were killed in cowardly sneak attacks by settlers and IDF, those were acts of aggression intended to draw a response.
That's the problem with your logic, its just a fucking cycle of violence and racism where you think beating down the indigenous population over and over again in increasingly horrific manner will lead to some kumbaya paradise where you can just muffle the screaming and constant bombs.
The truce was ended by Netanyahu who declared he would end it days in advance. Hamas abided by the terms and hostages were released, since then Israel is just shooting everyone including hostages with white flags yelling in Hebrew.
Your request is like the rapist saying 'why don't you just stop resisting so I can rape your ass and not have to break your arms too'.
You mean like your 'suggestion' of using a nuke to end it now?
A ceasefire will end it now. As soon as Biden realizes he's being played a fool and destroying his career and legacy for nothing it will end.
After that the world will start the sanctions and investigations that will end zionism as a movement.
That is the only way left for peace.
You are ignorant.
Read the reports by B'tselem, Amnesty, the UN, HRW and others. They cover that stupid talking point and discuss how the three major levels of apartheid are part of the system in place by Israel.
Israel has a long history of using human shields. Israel has a long history of doing everything you declare as evil, which you support.
No
Truce and negotiate with Hamas - hostages returned
Genocide - Israel kills their own hostages along with everyone else.
You just want more death it appears.
Lets see, should I believe the opinion of a racist or the reports by Amnesty, HRW, the UN, B'tselem?
Such a tough choice.
You back apartheid and genocide, buddy.
That's fucking evil.
(8) How can Palestine be freed from the river to the sea? - Quora
I took out the more provocative bits.
Israel remains the only democracy in the Middle East. Since the rise of Erdogan there is but a single Muslim majority state we can consider democratic (Malaysia). There are a few dictatorship that aren’t plainly horrible (Jordan, Indonesia), but that’s as good as one can get. The most free Arab state is Lebanon, fifty places behind Israel and only there because their state is bordering on non-existence, being supplanted by Hezbollah, which isn’t exactly promising as far as freedom goes.
In other words if you were to remove all Jews from Palestine and end all foreign influence, the remaining Arabs would fight each other for dominance, then the victor establish another tinpot dictatorship. That dictatorship would make Gaza of the past month look like a pleasant dream. The main reason for that is what you might be thinking right now “but but foreign influence and the Americans”. This actually is the main reason for the sad state of the region, just not in the way you might think: refusal to accept responsibility for their own failures is what is keeping the Arabs down and what will keep them down until they change.
Even if we assume everything claimed about American or Western or any other influence is correct (it’s not, but let’s pretend otherwise), then the region is exceptionally vulnerable to foreign influence. If your society is so weak any Tom, Dick or Harry (Jefferson, Nixon, Truman) can get there with a wad of cash and start a civil war, your problem is not actually that agent with the cash. It’s the fact your society is a tinderbox just waiting for a spark. Such a tinderbox doesn’t actually need foreign money to turn the region ablaze. It might happen on occasion, but usually it will be domestic disputes and unresolved problems you swept under the rug by claiming they’re someone elses’ fault.
For Palestine to be free Arabs need to grow up and start acting as if it’s the 18th century. Or later, but 18th century would be good enough. Barring that the only way the region can be freed is if Arabs within play the role of an unimportant minority, drowning in their squabbles and never realizing what is important and what isn’t. They need to realize being ruled by a tyrant of your own religion isn’t a worthwhile goal to strive for in life. They need to accept being a Muslim doesn’t automatically make you better than your non-Muslim peers. They need to embrace the fact they live down in the dirt not because someone is pushing them down, but because they refuse to stand up. The sad state of affairs in the region is unfortunate, but the only way out is profound change in the Arab society and thinking. Without those Palestine can’t be free.
Let me key on a few facts from this.
No Muslim state in the Middle East is a democracy and they all follow a pattern. They are violent. They all have sectarian militias who engage in domestic terrorism and civil war with other militias. They are all corrupt and feature the leaders of these militias looting their states. They are all regressive and religiously fundamentalist.
Let's name them: - Iraq before the US came and during the intifada and the ISIS revolt. Libya (with the addition of tribal militias). Lebanon. Syria.
Any Palestinian state would be a carbon copy of those I just listed. At best, it would be a repressive, corrupt theocracy like Iran.
Anyone who doesn't perceive that is a dumbo. It's like the trans guy in my IG feed who dresses up as Victorian fictional heroines and who also supports Hamas. An openly gay man has to be pretty goddam fucking stupid to support Hamas ffs!
People have been fed this well-financed pablum about Palestinian freedom for 2 generations without being told exactly what it is going to mean for the actual Palestinians. And it's not fucking difficult to figure out. In 2005, Hamas actually won an election and had self government in Gaza. What did they do?.... They had a civil war and murdered their opposition and then there were no more elections.
Then they had an intifada. And since then, they have systematically looted their wretched population to build weapons systems to use against Israel and grifted on world support. And their leaders are all billionaires while the average Gazan struggles to avoid starvation.
Welcome to "The River to the Sea"! It was already there in Gaza and it was vile.
Throw in that all these corrupt warlords LOVE great power financing. So let's invite in Putin and Wagner. Or the USA. Or at the very least the Ayatollahs in Iran. They'll help you fight those pesky civil wars and throw your rivals off the roofs of hi rise apartments.
I took out the more provocative bits.
Israel remains the only democracy in the Middle East. Since the rise of Erdogan there is but a single Muslim majority state we can consider democratic (Malaysia). There are a few dictatorship that aren’t plainly horrible (Jordan, Indonesia), but that’s as good as one can get. The most free Arab state is Lebanon, fifty places behind Israel and only there because their state is bordering on non-existence, being supplanted by Hezbollah, which isn’t exactly promising as far as freedom goes.
In other words if you were to remove all Jews from Palestine and end all foreign influence, the remaining Arabs would fight each other for dominance, then the victor establish another tinpot dictatorship. That dictatorship would make Gaza of the past month look like a pleasant dream. The main reason for that is what you might be thinking right now “but but foreign influence and the Americans”. This actually is the main reason for the sad state of the region, just not in the way you might think: refusal to accept responsibility for their own failures is what is keeping the Arabs down and what will keep them down until they change.
Even if we assume everything claimed about American or Western or any other influence is correct (it’s not, but let’s pretend otherwise), then the region is exceptionally vulnerable to foreign influence. If your society is so weak any Tom, Dick or Harry (Jefferson, Nixon, Truman) can get there with a wad of cash and start a civil war, your problem is not actually that agent with the cash. It’s the fact your society is a tinderbox just waiting for a spark. Such a tinderbox doesn’t actually need foreign money to turn the region ablaze. It might happen on occasion, but usually it will be domestic disputes and unresolved problems you swept under the rug by claiming they’re someone elses’ fault.
For Palestine to be free Arabs need to grow up and start acting as if it’s the 18th century. Or later, but 18th century would be good enough. Barring that the only way the region can be freed is if Arabs within play the role of an unimportant minority, drowning in their squabbles and never realizing what is important and what isn’t. They need to realize being ruled by a tyrant of your own religion isn’t a worthwhile goal to strive for in life. They need to accept being a Muslim doesn’t automatically make you better than your non-Muslim peers. They need to embrace the fact they live down in the dirt not because someone is pushing them down, but because they refuse to stand up. The sad state of affairs in the region is unfortunate, but the only way out is profound change in the Arab society and thinking. Without those Palestine can’t be free.
Let me key on a few facts from this.
No Muslim state in the Middle East is a democracy and they all follow a pattern. They are violent. They all have sectarian militias who engage in domestic terrorism and civil war with other militias. They are all corrupt and feature the leaders of these militias looting their states. They are all regressive and religiously fundamentalist.
Let's name them: - Iraq before the US came and during the intifada and the ISIS revolt. Libya (with the addition of tribal militias). Lebanon. Syria.
Any Palestinian state would be a carbon copy of those I just listed. At best, it would be a repressive, corrupt theocracy like Iran.
Anyone who doesn't perceive that is a dumbo. It's like the trans guy in my IG feed who dresses up as Victorian fictional heroines and who also supports Hamas. An openly gay man has to be pretty goddam fucking stupid to support Hamas ffs!
People have been fed this well-financed pablum about Palestinian freedom for 2 generations without being told exactly what it is going to mean for the actual Palestinians. And it's not fucking difficult to figure out. In 2005, Hamas actually won an election and had self government in Gaza. What did they do?.... They had a civil war and murdered their opposition and then there were no more elections.
Then they had an intifada. And since then, they have systematically looted their wretched population to build weapons systems to use against Israel and grifted on world support. And their leaders are all billionaires while the average Gazan struggles to avoid starvation.
Welcome to "The River to the Sea"! It was already there in Gaza and it was vile.
Throw in that all these corrupt warlords LOVE great power financing. So let's invite in Putin and Wagner. Or the USA. Or at the very least the Ayatollahs in Iran. They'll help you fight those pesky civil wars and throw your rivals off the roofs of hi rise apartments.
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That's a troll reply.
I have stated that Israel commits terrorism, not that all Israelis are terorrists. Investigate the leaders of both sides and let them figure out who committed terrorism.
You also seem to think Amnesty, HRW, UN, B''setlem are all 'pro Hamas', as are the 80% of Canadians who back a ceasefire.
Apartheid states are not democratic.
Israel's apartheid against Palestinians
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No, Frankie. Every over-tired, scared, nervous kid with a rifle and a uniform in the front lines has done the same things since the beginning of time.
Frankie, the one - and probably sole - argument that you're going to win is the issue of forcing Palestinians off their land on the West Bank. Literally no one I know supports that, including any Canadian Jew I've spoken to.Apartheid states are not democratic.
Israel's apartheid against Palestinians
Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
A Threshold Crossed
The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...www.hrw.org
Apartheid
The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...www.btselem.org
Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert
Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.news.un.org
So that's a point you get. And probably the only point.
Now tell me about how democratic Syria is? If you were an Arab, would you prefer to live in Syria or Israel?
I'm assuming that you'd want to stay alive and not get poison gassed.
Amnesty, HRW, UN, B''setlem actually are all 'pro Hamas'.
There will be a reckoning when this is all said and done.
Amnesty also supported the Russians in Ukraine btw.
You keep blaming Israel for the death of 18k, I'd say 19200 people would've been alive if hamas didn't go full retard on Oct 7...
No, mandrill, there are rules of war and soldiers are trained to differentiate between civilians and militants.
What you are describing is terrorism and genocide.
There is nowhere safe for civilians to go, they are walled into a concentration camp.
Even Biden says Israel is targeting too many civilians and using too many indiscriminate weapons and thats the most supportive call around.
