Leaders expressly saying that calls for the genocide of Jews is not necessarily a violation of student codes of conduct is a huge part of that.
To paraphrase Bill Maher, mis-gendering someone is taken more seriously than saying kill the Jews.
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To paraphrase Bill Maher, mis-gendering someone is taken more seriously than saying kill the Jews.
Anti-semites hate being criticized for their racism.
Not ever. It is all subjected to the school's code of conduct.
What the 'freedom' crew keep forgetting is that freedom of speech is different than freedom from consequences.
Wow. I'm sure you've never taken any interest in anti-racist education but the impact on reasonable people is more significant than the intent.
"River to the Sea" is calling for the removal of Jews, at least that's what 75% of Palestinians think of it.
"By any means necessary" is explicitly saying that violence against civilians is an acceptable way to create change
And throw in your usual claims about Jewish money and subjugation of American and the racist intent is 100% clear.
Provide proof that this has ever happened or cement your status as hasbara troll.
Here they are, go ahead and criticize them.
You've previously stated that you think calling for equal rights is calling for genocide.
Your views are too biased to consider.
I watched the "cold open" on Saturday Night Live last night where they re-enacted the House hearings that led to the Penn president ultimately resigning.
I found it more antisemitic and offensive than the actual hearings themselves, with the woman questioning the university presidents being made to look like a fool.
WTF, Lorne Michaels...
Copied and pasted from The New York Times:
‘S.N.L.’ Invites University of Phoenix to the House Antisemitism Hearing
The satire was only slightly less awkward than the real thing, in a freewheeling episode hosted by Adam Driver. Olivia Rodrigo was the musical guest.
By Dave Itzkoff
Dec. 10, 2023Updated 12:39 p.m. ET
Sometimes even an up-to-the-minute comedy show like “Saturday Night Live” can’t quite stay ahead of the news cycle. Hours after it was announced that Elizabeth Magill, the president of the University of Pennsylvania, was resigning after an appearance before Congress in which she appeared to evade questions about whether students should be punished for calling for the genocide of Jews, “S.N.L.” led its broadcast with a satirical recreation of the Tuesday hearing.
The result was a sketch that was only somewhat less uncomfortable than the real-life event it was mocking.
This week’s broadcast, hosted by Adam Driver and featuring the musical guest Olivia Rodrigo, opened by spoofing a C-SPAN broadcast of a House committee hearing in which university presidents had testified about antisemitism on their campuses. Heidi Gardner, playing Magill, was joined by Chloe Fineman as Sally Kornbluth of M.I.T. and Ego Nwodim as Claudine Gay of Harvard.
Chloe Troast, playing Representative Elise Stefanik of New York, the House Republican who grilled the university presidents, told the presidents: “Now I’m going to start screaming questions at these women like I’m Billy Eichner. Antisemitism, yea or nay?”
Troast added, “Yes or no: Is calling for the genocide of Jews against the code of conduct for Harvard?”
Nwodim replied, “Well, it depends on the context.”
Following an equally unsatisfying answer from Gardner, Troast announced to Fineman: “M.I.T. Lady, chance to steal. And keep in mind, if you don’t say yes, you’re going to make me look good, which is really, really hard to do.”
“Could I submit an answer in writing at a later date?” Fineman answered “Am I winning this hearing?” Troast said in disbelief.
Bowen Yang, playing Representative Mark Takano, Democrat of California, posed further questions to the panelists. What if someone on campus yelled, “I poisoned the water supply?” he asked.
Nwodim answered, “If they poisoned it with diversity, that could be wonderful.”
What if they yelled, “Fire!” in a crowded theater?
Gardner replied, “I’d be excited the theater was crowded because I support the arts.”
Breaking from reality, the “S.N.L.” sketch added Kenan Thompson, who was playing the president of the online University of Phoenix.
Asked if he would condemn antisemitism, Thompson said, “Well, my campus is the internet, so antisemitism is kind of our most popular major. And our mascot is porn.”
But he told Troast that his school would consider offering a course on the subject. “Lady, we’ll offer a course on anything,” he said. “The only mandatory courses we have are how to login to the University of Phoenix online and how to set up autopay.”
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Look what Israel did. That's a war crime. You support killing all Palestinian women and children. You support genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Colonialization. You are Nazis. You're saying that Israel should nuke Gaza.
Actually, a lot of your posts are even stupider than that.
Fixed your post for accuracy.
#Nazis is trending today, congrats on the recognition, though you seem to be sharing it with MAGA.
Maybe its time for some new hate crimes or something.
I think Magill's answer was coy. It was intended to not give a wrong answer or rather a response that certain constituencies in her university would find disagreeable.
I don't think it was a profile in courage. It was not the "right" answer.
Universities still getting this wrong. It's not simply about whether you "hate" (everyone hates someone or something, and is entitled to speak about who they hate and what they hate), it's about whether you incite mass hatred and violence against others. There could be nothing more violent than to advocate for the extermination/expulsion of the entirety of the country of Israeli's citizens - from the river to the sea.
Live updates: UPenn President Liz Magill resigns after months of controversy
Liz Magill, the president of University of Pennsylvania, voluntarily stepped down from the helm of the Ivy League school on Saturday, according to an announcement from board chair Scott Bok.www.cnn.com
She said that students who expressed their support for Hamas and what they stood for were not necessarily violating campus policy, and that they had the right to free speech.
In response to Magill’s resignation, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, dean for leadership studies at the Yale School of Management, said in a statement that Magill and her peers on Tuesday were underprepared before the House committee.
“University leaders have an elevated duty to fortify the truth and protect their campus communities from hate, threats, and violence. Freedom of expression is NOT an absolute right anywhere in society. Hate speech is different from speech,” he said. “
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Considering how so many Conservatives have threatened to tie university funding to proof of supporting free speech, I wonder how this will play out. Would Pierre Poillievre withhold funding, as he threatened to do if elected, because the universities aren't respecting free speech? Or would this prove that Conservatives are just hypocrites about this too, like they are with so many other issues?
Didn't Mr. Trudeau say that there were limits to free speech?
Deifying terrorism would surely fall within these limits would it not?
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Trudeau did, yes. But I was talking about PP. Why would PP be held to things Trudeau said? That's pretty backwards.
Trudeau is a consistent piece of shit. He said he believes in limits to free speech and he limits free speech. Consistent. No contradiction and no hypocrisy in that. I happen to think he's terrible and a hypocrite for other things, but that's not the topic of this thread.
PP on the other hand has ranted about free speech, pulling out that old alt-right dog whistle. So my question stands: is a hypocrite or would he withhold university funding for this? He's called out cancel culture, so surely he would be against the UPenn president being cancelled too, right? Unless he's a massive hypocrite and it's all dog whistles and virtue signaling...
Except conservatives never want free speech, they want their speech free of repercussions and the ability to stop criticism through shutting down media or social media criticism.
