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Frankfooter

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Biden is playing politics while assuming that the IDF will have killed all the HAMAS militia and occupied Gaza within another 2 weeks.

You wanna bet that the Biden admin is phoning Netanyahu and telling him privately to go for it, while complaining about him in public??
You are probably right.

Except the chances of eliminating Hamas are almost nil.
All this will do is end Biden's career and turn zionism into a word associated with genocide.


 

Frankfooter

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I'm not the one supporting more deaths.

The TERB KKK are, by not agreeing that a Hamas surrender and release of hostages is undeniably the fastest way to stop the killing.

Anything else takes longer. The longer it takes the more deaths there will be until Hamas surrenders. You are supporting more Palestinian deaths.

The UN just rejected the idea of a ceasefire. The war will only end when Hamas surrenders.

How long are you willing to wait? How many more deaths are you willing to watch occur?

The deaths of the Palestinians means nothing to you seeing as you are willing to wait instead of calling for Hamas to surrender now.
The fastest way would have been a ceasefire and the UN SC agreement which demanded hostages be returned by both sides.
The only hostages that have been returned have done so under a truce.
The more Israel bombs Gaza the more of those hostages they kill.

You are supporting more death.
Genocide.

 

toguy5252

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The US is the last country you can expect to do anything morally correct in this war. They pay a lot of lip service. There needs to be a huge human rights disaster and a massive PR disaster for their politicians to start doing something. That will eventually be the case if something isn't done to end the war soon.
By morally correct you mean your version of morality.
 

DinkleMouse

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UN resolutions don't mean fuck all.
It's more or less a suggestion. They can't be enforced.
Oh really?

The Korean War never happened and Iraq was allowed to keep Kuwait? I can grab other examples if you want, many in Africa or further Yugo, but I went with the big ones. Both of those were the enforcement of UNSC resolutions.

UN resolutions can 100% be enforced. I have no idea what you're talking about.
 

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Oh really?

The Korean War never happened and Iraq was allowed to keep Kuwait? I can grab other examples if you want, many in Africa or further Yugo, but I went with the big ones. Both of those were the enforcement of UNSC resolutions.

UN resolutions can 100% be enforced. I have no idea what you're talking about.

What stopped Korean War?


The Korean War started on 25 June 1950 and ended on 27 July 1953, after the signing of an armistice agreeing that the country would remain divided. At the end of the Second World War, Korea – which had formerly been occupied by the Japanese – was divided along the 38th parallel.


So I guess these resolutions take 3 years to work?
 

bazokajoe

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Oh really?

The Korean War never happened and Iraq was allowed to keep Kuwait? I can grab other examples if you want, many in Africa or further Yugo, but I went with the big ones. Both of those were the enforcement of UNSC resolutions.

UN resolutions can 100% be enforced. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Ok so now lets deal with the Iraq invasion of Kuwait.


Read it and you'll see Iraq ignored numerous UN resolution to withdrawal from Kuwait.

Here is what happened.
The invasion of Kuwait led to a United Nations Security Council embargo and sanctions on Iraq and a U.S.-led coalition air and ground war, which began on January 16, 1991, and ended with an Iraqi defeat and retreat from Kuwait on February 28, 1991.

Now should I keep going?
 

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What stopped Korean War?

The Korean War started on 25 June 1950 and ended on 27 July 1953, after the signing of an armistice agreeing that the country would remain divided. At the end of the Second World War, Korea – which had formerly been occupied by the Japanese – was divided along the 38th parallel.
Ok. And?

Who did North Korea sign that Armistice with? UNC; United Nations Command. Who is currently enforcing the Armistice? UNC. The forces that fought against North Korea were enforcing a UNSC Resolution. The Armistice is enforcing the UNSC Resolution. The Armistice forces in the DMZ are enforcing the UNSC Resolution. You're seeing enforcement, the thing you said that can't be done, happening right now in Korea.


So I guess these resolutions take 3 years to work?
Some, yes. Wars can take time.

Are you claiming because it took 3 years the UN resolution wasn't enforced? 1.5 million casualties on the North Korean side; that's a pretty big enforcement.

Resolution 678 was passed on November 29th, 1990, authorizing force on 15 January, 1991. Enforcement began on 17 January and was finished on 28 February. That's roughly 6 weeks.

Resolution 426 was enforced in 4 days and the hostilities it was designed to stop ended in 2, before enforcement even began, as a result of another resolution passed the same day.

Not all take 3 years. Almost all see enforcement begin within days. A few are resolved in hours, many are resolved in days, more are resolved in weeks or months, a handful take years, and some are enforced for decades. But as soon as forces have boots on the ground, reasonable people would agree enforcement has begun because that's what the words mean. Unless you want to claim law enforcement isn't enforcement because people still break the law? And therefore the claim that they can't be enforced fails as soon as that happens. And as I said, that almost always happens in days.
 

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What stopped Korean War?


The Korean War started on 25 June 1950 and ended on 27 July 1953, after the signing of an armistice agreeing that the country would remain divided. At the end of the Second World War, Korea – which had formerly been occupied by the Japanese – was divided along the 38th parallel.


So I guess these resolutions take 3 years to work?
UN SC 181 was 75 years ago, that should have been enough time.
There have been 65 UN GA resolutions and 35 UNSC resolutions vetoed by the US since to try to deal with the issue.

If the US is going to shut down the UN and the ICC as avenues then its either going to be the escalating war or BDS.
South African apartheid was ended through sanctions, that will likely be how its ended for Israel.
 

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Why are you replying twice to the same post? Threads will multiply many times over if you keep that up.

Ok so now lets deal with the Iraq invasion of Kuwait.


Read it and you'll see Iraq ignored numerous UN resolution to withdrawal from Kuwait.
Yes. That's how the UN works. By constantly ignoring them, the UN passed stricter and stricter resolutions. All of which were enforced when the UNSC passed the final resolution authorizing military force to enforce them. Resolution 678 was the enforcement of all the other resolutions demanding Iraq withdraw.

Here is what happened.
The invasion of Kuwait led to a United Nations Security Council embargo and sanctions on Iraq and a U.S.-led coalition air and ground war, which began on January 16, 1991, and ended with an Iraqi defeat and retreat from Kuwait on February 28, 1991.
Exactly. The 42 country UN coalition was there enforcing UNSC Resolution 678, which was in support of all previous resolutions in Iraq. They have escalating measures, because that's how diplomacy works. Thank you for showing the UN resolutions were enforced.

Now should I keep going?
If you want to keep demonstrating that UN resolutions can be enforced and prove your previous claim wrong, sure. I'm not sure why you'd do that. But maybe do them all in one reply in future.
 

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Why are you replying twice to the same post? Threads will multiply many times over if you keep that up.



Yes. That's how the UN works. By constantly ignoring them, the UN passed stricter and stricter resolutions. All of which were enforced when the UNSC passed the final resolution authorizing military force to enforce them. Resolution 678 was the enforcement of all the other resolutions demanding Iraq withdraw.



Exactly. The 42 country UN coalition was there enforcing UNSC Resolution 678, which was in support of all previous resolutions in Iraq. They have escalating measures, because that's how diplomacy works. Thank you for showing the UN resolutions were enforced.


If you want to keep demonstrating that UN resolutions can be enforced and prove your previous claim wrong, sure. I'm not sure why you'd do that. But maybe do them all in one reply in future.
The UN is useless!! Israel can do what it wants!!
 

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The Biden administration issued its strongest criticism yet of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza for its civilian death toll, as the Israel-Hamas war hits the two-month mark.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken stressed the U.S.′ concern for the protection of civilians in the besieged enclave, where local health authorities say that more than 16,000 people have been killed in Israeli attacks.




“We are focused ... on the imperative of maximizing efforts to protect civilians, and get not only assistance in but to sustain the higher level of assistance that was reached during the humanitarian pause and actually build on it. And what we’ve seen over the initial days is some important additional steps in the direction of doing just that,” Blinken told press in Washington on Thursday evening.

“Having said that,” he added, “as we stand here almost a week into this campaign in the south after the end of the humanitarian pause ... it remains imperative that Israel put a premium on civilian protection. And there does remain a gap between exactly what I said when I was there, the intent to protect civilians, and the actual results that we’re seeing on the ground.”

Israel expanded ground operations into southern Gaza in early December, after several weeks of telling Gaza’s residents in the northern half of the territory to evacuate south for their safety. Aid organizations and the United Nations have warned of a humanitarian catastrophe as more than 85% of Gaza’s population, or 1.9 million people, are displaced and have nowhere to go.





Other high-ranking Biden administration officials have said in recent weeks that “too many innocent Palestinians have died,” including Vice President Kamala Harris and State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking at the annual Reagan National Defense Forum on Dec. 3, told the audience: “I have personally pushed Israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties, and to shun irresponsible rhetoric, and to prevent violence by settlers in the West Bank.”
Biden's just worried that he's losing votes!!
 
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bazokajoe

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Ok. And?

Who did North Korea sign that Armistice with? UNC; United Nations Command. Who is currently enforcing the Armistice? UNC. The forces that fought against North Korea were enforcing a UNSC Resolution. The Armistice is enforcing the UNSC Resolution. The Armistice forces in the DMZ are enforcing the UNSC Resolution. You're seeing enforcement, the thing you said that can't be done, happening right now in Korea.


Some, yes. Wars can take time.

Are you claiming because it took 3 years the UN resolution wasn't enforced? 1.5 million casualties on the North Korean side; that's a pretty big enforcement.

Resolution 678 was passed on November 29th, 1990, authorizing force on 15 January, 1991. Enforcement began on 17 January and was finished on 28 February. That's roughly 6 weeks.

Resolution 426 was enforced in 4 days and the hostilities it was designed to stop ended in 2, before enforcement even began, as a result of another resolution passed the same day.

Not all take 3 years. Almost all see enforcement begin within days. A few are resolved in hours, many are resolved in days, more are resolved in weeks or months, a handful take years, and some are enforced for decades. But as soon as forces have boots on the ground, reasonable people would agree enforcement has begun because that's what the words mean. Unless you want to claim law enforcement isn't enforcement because people still break the law? And therefore the claim that they can't be enforced fails as soon as that happens. And as I said, that almost always happens in days.
These resolutions had absolutely nothing to do with the end of the war, NOTHING!
 
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bazokajoe

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Why are you replying twice to the same post? Threads will multiply many times over if you keep that up.



Yes. That's how the UN works. By constantly ignoring them, the UN passed stricter and stricter resolutions. All of which were enforced when the UNSC passed the final resolution authorizing military force to enforce them. Resolution 678 was the enforcement of all the other resolutions demanding Iraq withdraw.



Exactly. The 42 country UN coalition was there enforcing UNSC Resolution 678, which was in support of all previous resolutions in Iraq. They have escalating measures, because that's how diplomacy works. Thank you for showing the UN resolutions were enforced.


If you want to keep demonstrating that UN resolutions can be enforced and prove your previous claim wrong, sure. I'm not sure why you'd do that. But maybe do them all in one reply in future.
You are clueless as much as the idiot who runs the Canadian government.
Face it, UN resolutions mean nothing.
Oh and I don't care about multiple posts.
Iraq left Kuwait because they got their ass kicked.
 
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Frankfooter

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You are clueless as much as the idiot who runs the Canadian government.
Face it, UN resolutions mean nothing.
Oh and I don't care about multiple posts.
Iraq left Kuwait because they got their ass kicked.
Then why are there so many posts about the UN today?

Israel has killed more UN workers than have died in any other war in their history.
 

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The war will end when Hamas is eliminated.....and it will be.....
I guess that's the other option.

But we've seen how cowardly they are, like rats. Once they closer to the leaders they'll start pleading for mercy. "We're defenceless. Don't hurt us."
 
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