US losing patience with Israel

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The Biden administration issued its strongest criticism yet of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza for its civilian death toll, as the Israel-Hamas war hits the two-month mark.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken stressed the U.S.′ concern for the protection of civilians in the besieged enclave, where local health authorities say that more than 16,000 people have been killed in Israeli attacks.




“We are focused ... on the imperative of maximizing efforts to protect civilians, and get not only assistance in but to sustain the higher level of assistance that was reached during the humanitarian pause and actually build on it. And what we’ve seen over the initial days is some important additional steps in the direction of doing just that,” Blinken told press in Washington on Thursday evening.

“Having said that,” he added, “as we stand here almost a week into this campaign in the south after the end of the humanitarian pause ... it remains imperative that Israel put a premium on civilian protection. And there does remain a gap between exactly what I said when I was there, the intent to protect civilians, and the actual results that we’re seeing on the ground.”

Israel expanded ground operations into southern Gaza in early December, after several weeks of telling Gaza’s residents in the northern half of the territory to evacuate south for their safety. Aid organizations and the United Nations have warned of a humanitarian catastrophe as more than 85% of Gaza’s population, or 1.9 million people, are displaced and have nowhere to go.





Other high-ranking Biden administration officials have said in recent weeks that “too many innocent Palestinians have died,” including Vice President Kamala Harris and State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking at the annual Reagan National Defense Forum on Dec. 3, told the audience: “I have personally pushed Israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties, and to shun irresponsible rhetoric, and to prevent violence by settlers in the West Bank.”
 

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The US is the last country you can expect to do anything morally correct in this war. They pay a lot of lip service. There needs to be a huge human rights disaster and a massive PR disaster for their politicians to start doing something. That will eventually be the case if something isn't done to end the war soon.
How much huger would that human rights disaster have to be?
Let us not be duped by all this hypocritical posturing by American hoity toities. Their "focus on the imperative of maximizing efforts to protect civilians" is as bogus as their promise of a 2 state solution for the Palestinians in some mythically ephemeral and distant future.
Instead of calming the passions the entire establishment seems to be gung ho on doing just the opposite. Demonize, demonize, demonize. Watching Elise Stefanik set crude and vulgar traps to embarass the nation's three leading educators, all women, brought back nightmares from the horror shows of Roy Cohn & Joe McCarthy. Stefanik only exposed her own ignorance by repeating again and again that intifada and "From the river to the sea" were genocidal to the Jews and thus, as if genocide was not sufficient, also anti-semitic.
And throughout all this reportage there is this incessant repetition on MSM of Iran somehow being behind all of this mess, while Nasrallah and Raisi keep denying any interest in joining the fracas. Heck they even brought out a warmed-over Dan Senor, Wolfowitz' satrap in Baghdad, who famously blurted "The road to Tehran is through Baghdad." Obviously, Bibi's wet dream to dupe Uncle Sam to bomb Iran.
I hear US general's keep threatening that it would take only one casualty on their side to start the bombardment.
Dubya, the most incompetent US president until DJT, won a second term by launching an illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003. I hope the political schemers in today's W.H are not similarly tempted to rescue what seeems to be a losing re-election campaign thus far.
Here's a perspicacious commentary by Andrew Bacevich.

America’s War for the Greater Middle East (Continued)
Here We Go Again?
BY ANDREW BACEVICH
One way of understanding the ongoing bloodbath pitting Israel against Hamas is to see it as just the latest chapter in an existential struggle dating back to the founding of the Jewish state in 1948. While the appalling scope, destructiveness, and duration of the fighting in Gaza may outstrip previous episodes, this latest go-around serves chiefly to reaffirm the remarkable intractability of the underlying Arab-Israeli conflict.

Although the shape of that war has changed over time, certain constants remain. Neither side, for instance, seems capable of achieving its ultimate political goals through violence. And each side adamantly refuses to concede to the core demands of its adversary. In truth, while the actual fighting may ebb and flow, pause and resume, the Holy Land has become the site of what is effectively permanent conflict.

For several decades, the United States sought to keep its distance from that war by casting itself in the role of regional arbiter. While providing Israel with arms and diplomatic cover, successive administrations have simultaneously sought to position the U.S. as an “honest broker,” committed to advancing the larger cause of Middle Eastern peace and stability. Of course, a generous dose of cynicism has always informed this “peace process.”

On that score, however, the present moment has let the cat fully out of the bag. The Biden administration responded to the gruesome terrorist attack on October 7th by unequivocally endorsing and underwriting Israeli efforts to annihilate Hamas, with Gazans thereby subjected to a World War II-style obliteration bombing campaign. Meanwhile, ignoring tepid Biden administration protests, Israeli settlers continue to expel Palestinians from parts of the West Bank where they have lived for generations. If Hamas’s October assault was a tragedy, proponents of a Greater Israel also saw it as a unique opportunity that they’ve seized with alacrity. As for the peace process, already on life support, it now seems altogether defunct. Prospects of reviving it anytime soon appear remote.

More or less offstage, the fighting is having this ancillary effect: as Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) employ U.S.-provided weapons and munitions to turn Gaza into rubble, the “rules-based international order” touted by the Biden administration as the latest organizing principle of American statecraft has forfeited whatever slight credibility it might have possessed. Russia’s assault on Ukraine appears almost measured and humane by comparison.

As if to emphasize Washington’s own limited fealty to that rules-based order, President Biden’s immediate response to the events of October 7th focused on unilateral military action, bolstering U.S. naval and air forces in the Middle East while shoveling even more weapons to Israel. Ostensibly tasked with checking any further spread of violence, American forces in the region have instead been steadily edging toward becoming full-fledged combatants.

In recent weeks, U.S. forces have sustained dozens of casualty-producing attacks, primarily from rockets and armed drones. Attributing those attacks to “Iran-affiliated groups,” the U.S. has responded with air strikes targeting warehouses, training facilities, and command posts in Syria and Iraq.


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According to a Pentagon spokesman, the overall purpose of American military action in the region is “to message very strongly to Iran and their affiliated groups to stop.” Thus far, the impact of such messaging has been ambiguous at best. Certainly, U.S. retaliatory efforts haven’t dissuaded Iran from pursuing its proxy war against American military outposts in the region. On the other hand, the scale of those Iran-supported attacks remains modest. Notably, no U.S. troops have been killed — yet.

For the moment at least, that fact may well be the administration’s operative definition of success. As long as no flag-draped coffins show up at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, Joe Biden may find it perfectly tolerable for the U.S.-Iran subset of the Israel-Hamas war to simmer indefinitely on the back burner.

This pattern of tit-for-tat violence has received, at best, sporadic public attention. Where (if anywhere) it will lead remains uncertain. Even so, the U.S. is at risk of effectively opening up a new front in what used to be called the Global War on Terror. That war is now nearly dormant, or at least hidden from public view. The very real possibility of either side misinterpreting or willfully ignoring the other’s “messaging” could reignite it, with an expanded war that directly pits the U.S. against Iran making the Israel-Gaza war look like a petty squabble.

Then there are the potential domestic implications. No doubt President Biden’s political advisers are alive to the possibility of a major war affecting the outcome of the 2024 elections (and not necessarily to the incumbent’s benefit either). One can easily imagine Donald Trump seizing on even a handful of U.S. military fatalities in Middle East skirmishing as definitive proof of presidential ineptitude, akin to the bungled withdrawal from Kabul, Afghanistan, during Biden’s first year in office.

Two Wars Converge

Understanding the larger implications of these developments requires putting them in a broader context. In Gaza in the last two months, two protracted meta-conflicts that had unfolded on parallel tracks for decades have finally converged. That is likely to have profound implications for basic U.S. national security policy, even if few in Washington appear aware of the potential implications.

On the one track, dating from 1948 (although its preliminaries occurred decades earlier) is the Arab-Israeli conflict. Enshrined among Israelis as the War for Independence, for Arabs the events of 1948 are seen as the Nakba, or “Catastrophe.” Subsequent eruptions of violence have ensued from time to time, as Arab nations vented their anger at the Jewish state and Israel pursued opportunities to create a strategically more coherent and more economically viable, not to mention biblically endorsed, “Greater Israel.”

Initially intent on steering clear of the Arab-Israeli conflict — occasionally even denouncing Israeli misbehavior — American officials allowed themselves over time to be incrementally drawn into becoming Israel’s closest ally. Yet under the terms of the relationship as it evolved, the Israeli leaders insisted on retaining a large measure of strategic autonomy. Over Washington’s vociferous objections, for example, it acquired a robust nuclear arsenal. To guarantee their security, Israelis placed paramount emphasis on their own military capabilities, not those of the United States.

Meanwhile, on the other track, dating from the promulgation of President Jimmy Carter’s Carter Doctrine in 1980, U.S. forces have had their hands full in the region. With Israel exacerbating or fending off threats to its own security, successive American administrations undertook a series of new military commitments, interventions, and occupations across the Greater Middle East that had little or nothing to do with protecting Israel.

In the Persian Gulf, the Levant, the Horn of Africa, the Balkans, and Central Asia, the Pentagon dealt with problems of its own as those regions became venues for hosting American forces engaged in operations intended to protect, punish, or even “liberate.” Such military exertions and the presence of U.S. forces became commonplace throughout the Middle East — except in Israel. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Washington’s military actions reached their apotheosis when President George W. Bush embarked on a global campaign with the aim of eliminating evil.

Meanwhile, the various engagements undertaken by Israeli forces from the 1950s into the present century achieved mixed results. On the one hand, the Jewish state persists and has even expanded — a minimalist definition of “success.” On the other hand, recent events affirm that threats to Israel’s existence also persist.

In comparison, the U.S.-led Global War on Terror proved an outright failure, even if strikingly few ordinary Americans (and even fewer members of the political establishment) appear willing to acknowledge that fact.

Once the U.S.-supported regime in Kabul collapsed in 2021, it appeared American military misadventures in the Greater Middle East might be petering out. The humiliating result of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan in the wake of the disappointing outcome of Operation Iraqi Freedom had seemingly exhausted Washington’s appetite for remaking the region. Besides, there was Russia to tend to — and China. Strategic priorities seemed to be shifting.

Alarm Bells, American-Style

Now, however, in the wake of the atrocities committed on October 7th and Washington’s tacit acquiescence in Israel’s maximalist war aims, the dubious notion that vital American interests are still at stake in the Greater Middle East has taken on new life. Dating from the 1980s, Washington had cycled through a variety of arguments for why that part of the world was worthy of spending American blood and treasure: the threat of Soviet aggression, U.S. reliance on foreign oil, radical Arab dictators, Islamic jihadism, weapons of mass destruction falling into hostile hands, potential ethnic cleansing and genocide. All of those were pressed into service at one time or another to justify continuing to treat the Middle East as a strategic U.S. priority.

In truth, though, none of them has stood the test of time. Each has proven to be fallacious. Indeed, efforts to cure the sources of dysfunction afflicting the region proved to be a fool’s errand that has cost the United States dearly in money and lives while yielding little of value.

For that reason, allowing Israel’s conflict with Hamas to draw the United States into a new Middle Eastern crusade would be the height of folly. In fact, however, with little public attention and even less congressional oversight, that is precisely what may be happening. The Global War on Terror seems on the verge of absorbing the Gaza War into its current configuration.

In recent years, a shift in Pentagon priorities to the Indo-Pacific and to a future face-off with China has left only about 2,500 U.S. troops in Iraq and 900 more in Syria. The nominal mission of such modestly sized garrisons is to carry on the fight against the remnants of ISIS.

White House officials have, however, never gone out of their way to explain what those troops are really doing there. In practice, they have effectively become inviting stationary targets. As a consequence and not for the first time, “protecting the troops” has emerged as a convenient pretext for mounting a broader punitive response.

With Congress accepting claims that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) enacted in response to 9/11 suffices to cover whatever U.S. forces in the region may be up to 22 years later, the Biden administration functionally has a free hand to act as it wishes. The course it has chosen is to use Israel’s war in Gaza as a rationale for reversing course in the Middle East and once again making violence and threats of violence the basis of U.S. policy there. On that score, the fact that some American forces are now covertly operating in Israel itself should set off alarm bells.

The Gaza War will change Israel in ways that may be difficult to foresee. The failure of its vaunted military and intelligence establishments to anticipate and thwart the worst terrorist attack in that country’s history leaves Jewish Israelis with a sense of unprecedented vulnerability. It will hardly be surprising if they look to Washington for protection, in which case Israel’s survival could become an American responsibility.

The invitation is one that the United States would do well to refuse. Accepting it will confront Americans with challenges they are ill-equipped to meet and with obligations they can ill afford. Deepening the Pentagon’s involvement in the Greater Middle East will only compound the failures to which the Carter Doctrine has already subjected this nation, while scrambling U.S. strategic priorities in ways sure to prove counterproductive.

In 1796, George Washington warned his countrymen of the dangers of allowing a “passionate attachment” to another nation to affect policy. That warning remains relevant today. The Gaza War is not and should not become America’s war.

Copyright 2023 Andrew Bacevich
 
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No ceasefire. hamas is hellbent on exterminating Israel so fight on. Think of the death and suffering that will happen when the incendiary weapons are deployed in south Gaza.
Recall Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo during WW2.
 

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The US is the last country you can expect to do anything morally correct in this war. They pay a lot of lip service. There needs to be a huge human rights disaster and a massive PR disaster for their politicians to start doing something. That will eventually be the case if something isn't done to end the war soon.
The war will end with a decisive victory, think Hiroshima. The death toll could reach 1,000,000.
 

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The war will end with a decisive victory, think Hiroshima. The death toll could reach 1,000,000.
TERB's KKK don't care as long as there is the hope that Israel will have to pay more in reparations. 1,000,000 lives mean nothing to them.
 

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If the US is losing patience why did they invoke their veto?
 
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No ceasefire. hamas is hellbent on exterminating Israel so fight on. Think of the death and suffering that will happen when the incendiary weapons are deployed in south Gaza.
Recall Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo during WW2.
Its already surpassed the carpet bombing of Dresden and Hamburg.
But this nonsense about Hamas 'exterminating' is just nonsense.

Israel is now bent on genocide but Palestinians understood the Hamas attack as resistance to the occupation, ongoing colonization and settler terrorist attacks and the storming of Al Aqsa.

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TERB's KKK don't care as long as there is the hope that Israel will have to pay more in reparations. 1,000,000 lives mean nothing to them.
This internal hate monologue you've got running in your head gets weirder and weirder every day?
Now you think there are KKK here, besides bud plug?
And you think its about money?

That's really fucking weird.

Your views are like Ben Gvir but on drugs.
Listen to Gideon Levy for a change.
 
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Amazing to see all these countries claiming to free palestine yet vote or protest for banning Muslim.

So many countries, including muslims ones, screaming to free palestine but yet will not welcome any of them 🤔
 
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The Biden administration issued its strongest criticism yet of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza for its civilian death toll, as the Israel-Hamas war hits the two-month mark.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken stressed the U.S.′ concern for the protection of civilians in the besieged enclave, where local health authorities say that more than 16,000 people have been killed in Israeli attacks.

“We are focused ... on the imperative of maximizing efforts to protect civilians, and get not only assistance in but to sustain the higher level of assistance that was reached during the humanitarian pause and actually build on it. And what we’ve seen over the initial days is some important additional steps in the direction of doing just that,” Blinken told press in Washington on Thursday evening.

“Having said that,” he added, “as we stand here almost a week into this campaign in the south after the end of the humanitarian pause ... it remains imperative that Israel put a premium on civilian protection. And there does remain a gap between exactly what I said when I was there, the intent to protect civilians, and the actual results that we’re seeing on the ground.”

Israel expanded ground operations into southern Gaza in early December, after several weeks of telling Gaza’s residents in the northern half of the territory to evacuate south for their safety. Aid organizations and the United Nations have warned of a humanitarian catastrophe as more than 85% of Gaza’s population, or 1.9 million people, are displaced and have nowhere to go.

Other high-ranking Biden administration officials have said in recent weeks that “too many innocent Palestinians have died,” including Vice President Kamala Harris and State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, speaking at the annual Reagan National Defense Forum on Dec. 3, told the audience: “I have personally pushed Israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties, and to shun irresponsible rhetoric, and to prevent violence by settlers in the West Bank.”
Biden is playing politics while assuming that the IDF will have killed all the HAMAS militia and occupied Gaza within another 2 weeks.

You wanna bet that the Biden admin is phoning Netanyahu and telling him privately to go for it, while complaining about him in public??
 

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1M lives mean nothing to you as long as they are Palestinian.
I'm not the one supporting more deaths.

The TERB KKK are, by not agreeing that a Hamas surrender and release of hostages is undeniably the fastest way to stop the killing.

Anything else takes longer. The longer it takes the more deaths there will be until Hamas surrenders. You are supporting more Palestinian deaths.

The UN just rejected the idea of a ceasefire. The war will only end when Hamas surrenders.

How long are you willing to wait? How many more deaths are you willing to watch occur?

The deaths of the Palestinians means nothing to you seeing as you are willing to wait instead of calling for Hamas to surrender now.
 

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This internal hate monologue you've got running in your head gets weirder and weirder every day?
It's not hard to figure out when hate does not cloud your thought process.

1)You said yourself "Oh. Just wait until Israel has to pay reparations". Having Israel look bad is more important to you than Palestinian lies.

2)You refuse to call for a Hamas surrender. The UN just showed they will not call for a ceasefire. The only way the war ends is for Hamas to surrender. Should they do it sooner or later? The longer it goes the more deaths there are. Clearly you are cool with that unless you agree Hamas should surrender NOW.

My statement stands. You and the rest of the KKK don't care how many Palestinians die.

You just can't lie your way around a logical argument based on facts. That's why you're getting more frustrated and resorting to images of giving the finger and screaming "Fuck Zionists" like a wild man.
 

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Amazing to see all these countries claiming to free palestine yet vote or protest for banning Muslim.

So many countries, including muslims ones, screaming to free palestine but yet will not welcome any of them 🤔
There are already 5 million Palestinian refugees in the countries surrounding Israel.
Refugees that the UN has repeatedly demanded Israel return, respecting their universal Right of Return.

Why would they fall for the same trick twice?
 
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