Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

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Butler1000 said:
Well, when you stay at perpetual war for 75 years........kinda tough to keep sympathy.

Especially when terrorism is your chosen forte.

The Hamas led Palestinians are soon to join the likes of the Tamil Tigers in the dust bin of failed causes.
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Peace is what's needed. Not sympathy. You can't achieve peace through domination, subjugation, violence. Hamas needs to go, but bombing 15,000+ mostly women, kids and infants, and the elderly is hardly the way to go about it.

Anyone with half a brain can see that all it does is create more extremists. Do you think the average Palestinian loves having their whole family bombed and buried under the rubble of what used to be their home? Well of course you do, because you think every Muslim is just waiting to be martyred and had families just so they can be martyred.

Do you think that if Palestinians (not Hamas) were given some form of equality, don't ask me what that looks like, they would continue to attack Israel? Well you do, because you think all Muslims are extremist jihadi suicide bombers.

You keep bringing up these other wars, as if they have anything to do with the price of milk at Metro. ISIS was pretty much defeated in Syria, where they caused many of the deaths there. Still lots needs to be done. Does that mean we should turn a blind eye to the bombing of Palestinian civilians in Gaza?

Are there still Tamils in Sri Lanka? Do you agree with the Israeli politician that says Canada should take 200,000+ Palestinians?
 
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Peace is what's needed. Not sympathy. You can't achieve peace through domination, subjugation, violence. Hamas needs to go, but bombing 15,000+ mostly women, kids and infants, and the elderly is hardly the way to go about it.

Anyone with half a brain can see that all it does is create more extremists. Do you think the average Palestinian loves having their whole family bombed and buried under the rubble of what used to be their home? Well of course you do, because you think every Muslim is just waiting to be martyred and had families just so they can be martyred.

Do you think that if Palestinians (not Hamas) were given some form of equality, don't ask me what that looks like, they would continue to attack Israel? Well you do, because you think all Muslims are extremist jihadi suicide bombers.

You keep bringing up these other wars, as if they have anything to do with the price of milk at Metro. ISIS was pretty much defeated in Syria, where they caused many of the deaths there. Still lots needs to be done. Does that mean we should turn a blind eye to the bombing of Palestinian civilians in Gaza?

Are there still Tamils in Sri Lanka? Do you agree with the Israeli politician that says Canada should take 200,000+ Palestinians?
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And if they elect another Hamas?

Because they will.

They don't want peace. So now what do you do?
 
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Butler1000 said:
And if they elect another Hamas?

Because they will.

They don't want peace. So now what do you do?
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Hamas' leaders parents were killing by Israel.
Stop killing people and let them live in peace and they will start to recover.

Why do the Israel supporters not accept that they have proof that Palestinians can live peacefully with them right inside their own borders?
If 'Israeli Arabs' can live peacefully with almost equal rights, why isn't that proof that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza can do the same if you give them equal rights and a chance to live lives without the constant threat of attacks and walls around them?

Ceasefire.
End apartheid.
Give Palestinians full human rights, including the vote.

That is the only answer.
Killing more Palestinians will only seed the next Hamas.

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And if they elect another Hamas?

Because they will.

They don't want peace. So now what do you do?
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So you support collective punishment and ethnic cleansing for Palestinians, not only for what Hamas did, but for future, imaginary events that you somehow know will happen. Oh yeah, you know what every Muslim that ever existed thinks.

In your ethnic cleansing wet dream, do you agree with the Israeli politician that said Canada should take in 200,000+ Palestinians?
 
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versitile1 said:
So you support collective punishment and ethnic cleansing for Palestinians, not only for what Hamas did, but for future, imaginary events that you somehow know will happen. Oh yeah, you know what every Muslim that ever existed thinks.

In your ethnic cleansing wet dream, do you agree with the Israeli politician that said Canada should take in 200,000+ Palestinians?
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IDF ushered Gazans out of north Gaza to safe zones...if it was up to Hamas...they'd want Gazans to stay and take more bullets for Hamas...
 
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Hamas' leaders parents were killing by Israel.
Stop killing people and let them live in peace and they will start to recover.

Why do the Israel supporters not accept that they have proof that Palestinians can live peacefully with them right inside their own borders?
If 'Israeli Arabs' can live peacefully with almost equal rights, why isn't that proof that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza can do the same if you give them equal rights and a chance to live lives without the constant threat of attacks and walls around them?

Ceasefire.
End apartheid.
Give Palestinians full human rights, including the vote.

That is the only answer.
Killing more Palestinians will only seed the next Hamas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723860161213645192
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Hamas founders, "let's kill civilian jews for retribution but let's make sure when they fire back, we have the Gazans to take the bullets for us..." Is that what you're trying to say?
 
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Exactly! The cognitive dissonance is stunning. They have created this narrative that Israel cannot exist without a Jewish majority. Aka an ethno-state. That is nonsensical. Why not adopt a constitution that is secular, and democratic, that will not give anyone the power to dominate, even if they want to? But they won't. The underlying motivation and even the premise of Israel as an ethno-state is racist.
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and where do you get that nonsense? Most palestinians outside of Israel didn't recognize Israel as a state and want nothing to do with Israel...they just want jews out of Palestine....that doesn't sound racist though right?
 
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Kautilya said:
Exactly! The cognitive dissonance is stunning. They have created this narrative that Israel cannot exist without a Jewish majority. Aka an ethno-state. That is nonsensical. Why not adopt a constitution that is secular, and democratic, that will not give anyone the power to dominate, even if they want to? But they won't. The underlying motivation and even the premise of Israel as an ethno-state is racist.
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Why there is no Jews in Arab states?
 
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IDF ushered Gazans out of north Gaza to safe zones...if it was up to Hamas...they'd want Gazans to stay and take more bullets for Hamas...
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If... you.... recall ....IDF.....gave.....1.....million...............Palestinians....24......hours.......to.....flee.....northern....Gaza.....which......was....deemed....impossible....then......conducted...............airstrikes...on....fleeing.....civilians....then..decided....to....give...a...few...hours
..a..day.....for....civilians....to...flee....after..a....month....of...bombing....them.....
 
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If... you.... recall ....IDF.....gave.....1.....million...............Palestinians....24......hours.......to.....flee.....northern....Gaza.....which......was....deemed....impossible....then......conducted...............airstrikes...on....fleeing.....civilians....then..decided....to....give...a...few...hours
..a..day.....for....civilians....to...flee....after..a....month....of...bombing....them.....
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That was your hamas propaganda of the day, children!
 
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If... you.... recall ....IDF.....gave.....1.....million...............Palestinians....24......hours.......to.....flee.....northern....Gaza.....which......was....deemed....impossible....then......conducted...............airstrikes...on....fleeing.....civilians....then..decided....to....give...a...few...hours
..a..day.....for....civilians....to...flee....after..a....month....of...bombing....them.....
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How many hours did Hamas (the good guys you support) gave civilians before they attacked?
 
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Hamas founders, "let's kill civilian jews for retribution but let's make sure when they fire back, we have the Gazans to take the bullets for us..." Is that what you're trying to say?
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No, rich.

I know this is hard for you, but when Israelis kill Palestinian civilians for retribution it only makes Palestinians want to kill in retribution, which makes Israelis want to kill in retribution, which makes Palestinians want to kill for retribution.

On and on for 75 years.

For some reason you think that killing more people this time will work, but it hasn't worked in 75 years and won't work this time.
Just stop killing people already.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724749489867481298
 
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Frankfooter said:
No, rich.

I know this is hard for you, but when Israelis kill Palestinian civilians for retribution it only makes Palestinians want to kill in retribution, which makes Israelis want to kill in retribution, which makes Palestinians want to kill for retribution.

On and on for 75 years.

For some reason you think that killing more people this time will work, but it hasn't worked in 75 years and won't work this time.
Just stop killing people already.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724749489867481298
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The conflict didn't start in 1948 Franky...Jews were at the receiving end of all the atrocities by the Arabs...they can't even recognize a small piece of land for the Jews because of what?
 
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The conflict didn't start in 1948 Franky...Jews were at the receiving end of all the atrocities by the Arabs...they can't even recognize a small piece of land for the Jews because of what?
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Because they were a foreign colonial movement?
 
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versitile1 said:
So you support collective punishment and ethnic cleansing for Palestinians, not only for what Hamas did, but for future, imaginary events that you somehow know will happen. Oh yeah, you know what every Muslim that ever existed thinks.

In your ethnic cleansing wet dream, do you agree with the Israeli politician that said Canada should take in 200,000+ Palestinians?
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You are a broken record. And yes, history matters.

They cheered when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The ones Kuwait took in. And Kuwait deported all 300,000 of them.
They created terrorist zones in Jordan, including landing strips for hijacked airplanes. And attempted a coup to overthrow the Jordanian govt.
Egypt was so sick and tired of them, they fobbed them back off on Israel. And because Egypt signed a peace treaty, they collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood to assassinate Sadat.
They have continually allied themselves with Iran, for terrorist training. Weapons. And have derailed every attempt at peace through numerous names, incarnations, and elected govts.

They, through public statements and signed charters, have repeatedly stated there will not be peace. Just the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

They have told us who they are.

So no, beyond some well vetted family reunification, I see no reason for admittance to Canada.

And I don't see a negotiated peace. Just a winner. So if I have to pick a side its Israel. Let Iran take them all in.
 
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