Palestine between 1949 and 1967

[Conil]

You know the old saying dogs that bark don't bite. And if they do, maybe its a good time to nuke Iranian nuclear facilities and weapon factories.

IRGC Commander Says Tehran Ready for Expansion of Hamas-Israel War


The commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Air Force has warned that the Hamas-Israel conflict is likely to escalate throughout the region, insisting that "Tehran is prepared for all scenarios."

Amir Ali Hajizadeh also claimed that there were three contacts between US and Iranian officials regarding the conflict in one single night, adding that the Americans used the language of "wishes and requests" rather than "threats."

The Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies in Lebanon, Yemen, Syria and Iraq have been threatening a regional conflict since the start of the Israel-Hamas war on October 7.

On November 12, six people were injured in a missile attack by Lebanon’s Hezbollah group on northern Israel.

Reports indicate that an anti-tank missile fired from Lebanon hit several civilian vehicles near the Israeli border.

The Israeli army responded to the attacks with airstrikes on Hezbollah positions.

Meanwhile, former Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said that "Israel dreams" of Iran and Hezbollah entering the conflict.

Zarif said that the Islamic Republic has no intention of doing so because Tehran's involvement would be "harmful to Hamas."

IRGC Commander Says Tehran Ready for Expansion of Hamas-Israel War

The commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Air Force has warned that the Hamas-Israel conflict is likely to escalate ...

iranwire.com

 

[K Douglas]

Wasn't it called Palestine while it was under British rule ?

It was called that but people living there, whether Arab Muslim, Christian, Druze or Jew, never referred to themselves as Palestinians.

 

[Conil]

Hamas had detailed instructions on 'which (terror) commander should rape which (Israeli) soldiers': IDF
There was also planned ‘second phase’ for Oct. 7 massacre, The Washington Post reports

A planned second phase of Hamas’s brutal Oct. 7 assault on southern Israel involved joining forces with terrorists in Judea and Samaria, The Washington Post reported on Sunday, citing Western and Middle Eastern security officials briefed on evidence obtained by Israel.

Some of the Hamas terrorists that participated in the attack carried enough food, ammunition and equipment for several days, the officials said, and had instructions to continue deeper into the Jewish state once the initial massacre succeeded, potentially with the goal of attacking larger population centers.

One group of terrorists carried maps and other surveillance information suggesting their plan was to continue on to the border with southern Judea, two senior Middle East intelligence officials and one former U.S. official familiar with the evidence told The Washington Post.

“They planned a second phase, including in major Israeli cities and military bases,” said one senior Israeli intelligence official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

According to the report, day laborers from Gaza who were permitted to enter Israel carried out reconnaissance in preparation for the terrorist onslaught. Before Oct. 7, Israel provided work permits for some 17,000 Palestinians from Gaza.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723759157960953981

Hamas had detailed instructions on 'which (terror) commander should rape which (Israeli) soldiers': IDF

There was also planned ‘second phase’ for Oct. 7 massacre, The Washington Post reports.

nationalpost.com

 

[shack]

the pro palestinian movement always ignore the timeline between 1949 and 1967


gaza strip was part of egypt Egypt renounced thier claim in 1978


the west bank was part of Jordan people living there got Jordanian Citizenship

Jordan renounced their claim in 1988


arabs never called themselves Palestinians before 1964(when the movement was created with the help of the Soviet Union and the KGB)


when i mentioned this the the pro pally's dismissed this



Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia


Occupation of the Gaza Strip by the United Arab Republic - Wikipedia


"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Qu'ran. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937

Almost every single argument they have is full of holes. Add this to the list.

And then once the pro-Palestinian mouthpieces get cornered by facts all they can do is scream: lies, propaganda, invalid source, irrelevant (kautilya likes using this one lately) blah, blah, blah. No facts to counter your facts, c-m.

 

[shack]

CM is the only person I know who self identifies as black and supports apartheid.

There is no moral conundrum there. He fully understands that there is no apartheid in Israel.

Here is another black man you disrespect for no other reason than because he's black. Disgusting. That is the definition of racism.

Having lived through the apartheid years in South Africa, Meshoe, who is now 68, said: “Those who know what real apartheid is, as I do, know that there is nothing in Israel that looks like apartheid. Calling it such is an empty political statement that does not hold any truth. In Israel, you see people of different colors, backgrounds and religions interacting with each other every day. The BDS movement is a real pain. It is not a democratic movement but a movement of intimidation.”

Kenneth Meshoe

 

[shack]

An extreme left wing rag. More propaganda from Fringefooter.

From Wikipedia:
The magazine was first published in 1946 by the Morning Freiheit Association under the name Jewish Life and associated with the Communist Party USA.


By Jonathan S. Tobin

Pro-Israel liberals took particular pleasure last month in mocking the latest evidence that Jews on the far left know no limits in their hatred for Israel.


The object of their derision was Jewish Currents, a far-left publication that issued a formal apology to its readers for accepting an advertisement from the Dorot Fellowship for a 10-month-long fellowship program for American Jews in Israel. But as much as it’s hard not to laugh at the contortions those on the far-left go through to maintain their standing as “good Jews” in the eyes of their antisemitic ideological allies, mainstream Jewish groups that are still trying to promote a two-state solution with the Palestinians may be the ones who have lost touch with reality.

 

[shack]

You keep digging into bad history books, CM, just don't pay attention to what's going on now.

Classic response when the facts are clearly against you. Shoot the messenger. So weak.

Tell us what was factually incorrect with the history he presented? Why was it a bad history book?

Waiting for the inevitable "duck, dodge, deflect".

And your twitter post had absolutely NOTHING to do with c-m's post.

Duck, dodge, deflect.

 

[Frankfooter]

An extreme left wing rag. More propaganda from Fringefooter.

From Wikipedia:
The magazine was first published in 1946 by the Morning Freiheit Association under the name Jewish Life and associated with the Communist Party USA.


By Jonathan S. Tobin

Pro-Israel liberals took particular pleasure last month in mocking the latest evidence that Jews on the far left know no limits in their hatred for Israel.


The object of their derision was Jewish Currents, a far-left publication that issued a formal apology to its readers for accepting an advertisement from the Dorot Fellowship for a 10-month-long fellowship program for American Jews in Israel. But as much as it’s hard not to laugh at the contortions those on the far-left go through to maintain their standing as “good Jews” in the eyes of their antisemitic ideological allies, mainstream Jewish groups that are still trying to promote a two-state solution with the Palestinians may be the ones who have lost touch with reality.

Great, now you're calling Jewish publications antisemitic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722636339793793063

 

[Frankfooter]

Classic response when the facts are clearly against you. Shoot the messenger. So weak.

Tell us what was factually incorrect with the history he presented? Why was it a bad history book?

Waiting for the inevitable "duck, dodge, deflect".

And your twitter post had absolutely NOTHING to do with c-m's post.

Duck, dodge, deflect.

Because the history is way less clear than CM's video claims. From wiki:
Its unclear if he allied with Germany because the Brits were giving away Palestine or because of racism.

Regardless, its irrelevant to the 75 year old occupation and has no bearing on the present.

The Nazis generally regarded Arabs with contempt.[137] Hitler himself had in 1937 spoken of them as "half-apes".[138] However, throughout the interwar period, Arab nationalists bore Germany no ill-will (despite its earlier support for the Ottoman Empire). Like many Arab countries, Germany was perceived as a victim of the post-World War I settlement. Hitler himself often spoke of the "infamy of Versailles". Unlike France and Great Britain it had not exercised imperial designs on the Middle East, and its past policy of non-intervention was interpreted as a token of good will.[139] While the scholarly consensus is that Husseini's motives for supporting the Axis powers and his alliance with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were deeply inflected by anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist ideology from the outset,[140] some scholars, notably Renzo De Felice, deny that the relationship can be taken to reflect a putative affinity of Arab nationalism with Nazi/Fascist ideology, and that men like Husseini chose them as allies for purely strategic reasons,[141] on the grounds that, as Husseini later wrote in his memoirs, "the enemy of your enemy is your friend".[142] British policy was to ease Husseini "into oblivion" by ignoring him, Nuri al-Said, mediating, endeavoured to get him to side with the Allies against the Germans. The overture was considered then rebuffed: according to Philip Mattar, Husseini was reluctant to lend his voice in support of Britain "because it had destroyed Palestinian villages, executed and imprisoned Palestinian fighters, and exiled their leaders".[143]

 

[Frankfooter]

There is no moral conundrum there. He fully understands that there is no apartheid in Israel.

Here is another black man you disrespect for no other reason than because he's black. Disgusting. That is the definition of racism.

Having lived through the apartheid years in South Africa, Meshoe, who is now 68, said: “Those who know what real apartheid is, as I do, know that there is nothing in Israel that looks like apartheid. Calling it such is an empty political statement that does not hold any truth. In Israel, you see people of different colors, backgrounds and religions interacting with each other every day. The BDS movement is a real pain. It is not a democratic movement but a movement of intimidation.”

Kenneth Meshoe

This board is filled with racists claiming they aren't racist.
You're just one that also supports genocide.

Its a good thing you don't represent most Jews, let alone Canadians.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723750396118614205

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723069367263297858

 

[shack]

Great, now you're calling Jewish publications antisemitic.

Intentional misinterpretation/misquote. I called them a left wing rag.

Typical gaslighting by you.

 

[Frankfooter]

Intentional misinterpretation/misquote. I called them a left wing rag.

Typical gaslighting by you.

Are you finally admitting its not antisemitic to be against Israeli apartheid and genocide?
That would be a change from your previous posts.

What next, will you stop supporting killing children and bombing hospitals?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722645224273354786

 

[Leimonis]

Since you all like history and context so much, can anyone remind me: was Jesus Christ called king of Jews or king of Palestinians?

 

[shack]

Are you finally admitting its not antisemitic to be against Israeli apartheid and genocide?

Assuming Israel was actually conducting apartheid and genocide, which they are not.

 

[Frankfooter]

Assuming Israel was actually conducting apartheid and genocide, which they are not.

Wait, so now you do think its antisemitic to be against apartheid and genocide.
Its hard to keep track of how much terrorism, killing babies, apartheid and genocide you cheer for.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724388082470817904

 

[shack]

Wait, so now you do think its antisemitic to be against apartheid and genocide.

Wait, so now you think you can gaslight?

 

[mandrill]

(8) Why wasn't Palestine given a state when Israel was? - Quora


The Arabs who eventually became the Palestinians were offered a state multiple times, only to say no every time.
In 1936, the Peel Commission offered a partition of the land between Jews and Arabs, but the Arabs refused to accept it, and the Mandate continued.

In 1938, the Woodhead Commission proposed three different partition plans, the Arabs refused to even talk about them.

In 1947, the British announced they were abandoning the Mandate and handed the question over to the UN. They also proposed partition, and given the relative balance of land ownership and the fact that the Jews would be receiving a massive population increase from Holocaust survivors, it was a relatively fair proposal. The Jews accepted it and declared independence while the Arabs rejected it and attempted to destroy Israel and the Jews.

When the war ended, Israel had survived, and the Arab world was furious. They expelled every Jew in their territory, just as Egypt and Jordan ethnically cleansed the portions of the former mandate that they occupied: the Gaza Strip and Judea and Samaria, or as Jordan named it, the West Bank. In 1964, the Palestinian Liberation Organization declared that they claimed all of Israel as Palestinian territory and that Israel had no right to exist. Even so, when Jordan gave up their claim to Judea and Samaria in the 1990’s, Israel immediately started negotiating with the PLO for peace. Oslo granted the Palestinians the first land that they could claim was theirs and no one else’s. Israel then moved on to direct negotiations with Arafat to give them a proper state with legal borders in exchange for peace. Arafat rejected it and launched the Intifada.

Israel tried again when Abbas took over, but he refused to even talk. In an attempt to buy peace, and as a test of the Palestinian’s intentions, Israel completely pulled out of Gaza, hoping that it could become something like Singapore or Monaco. Instead, Hamas took over, destroying the infrastructure that Israel left behind and launching terrorist attacks against Israel, eventually leading to the events of October 7.
So why don’t the Palestinians have a state of their own? Because you can’t force someone to say yes to a compromise and you can’t negotiate with genocidal fanatics.

 

[basketcase]

Yes I know about Black September, another case where the Palis tried to take over Jordan and King Hussein actually led his army to fight against Arafat and the Palis. The Palis also got kicked out of Lebanon and went to Tunisia. The Palis that went to work in Kuwait sided with Saddam when he invaded and the Palis got kicked out of Kuwait.

Jordan's rulers were foreigners imposed on the locals by the Brits and they have a system that benefits those foreign Hashemites.

 

[basketcase]

Typical of Franky to quote an anti Semite who has white nationalist views

He is happy to spew his anti-Semitic bile anytime he thinks he can blame Israel.

 

[basketcase]

Great, now you're calling Jewish publications antisemitic.
...

No, we're calling you anti-Semitic for your use of token Jews as authoritative while systemically rejecting anything you don't like simply because it comes from Jews or people you pretend are Jews.