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Kautilya said:
I will respond to the 7 things:

1. Palestinians disagree with the premise of Israel. And they WERE right, in 1948, because Israel is the result of colonial paper partition. Britain was a colonial power and they did not have a right to take the land and give it to someone else, who did not live there in the first place. However I will concede that given present day realities the Palestinians should be more reasonable. Now another point to mention is that several in Israel, like Bibi run on a platform of "No Palestinian Statehood". Infact, they DENY Palestinian identity. Like even the label. Further Israel steals land. So the Palestinians do not have state, not just because of their own mistakes, but also because of Israeli maliciousness.

2. That was just Islamaphobia and racism thrown in to elicit an emotional reaction. Plus he used MEMRI which is extreme right wing, fake news media - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-media-research-institute-memri/

3. I agree regarding the refugees. They should already be citizens of the states they immigrated to.

4. Ethnic Cleansing is very real, and it is a fact that the Arabs were all driven out of Israel and herded into Gaza and the West Bank, and more than 750K in 1948 left for other countries. Here is Moshe Dayan's quote: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Mahalul, Gevat - in the place of Jibta, Sarid - in the place of Haneifs and Kefar Yehoshua - in the place of Tell Shaman. There is no one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

As for his comment on why neighbouring Arab nations do not have Jews, it is because Jews CHOSE to move to Israel.

5. True. But as if all these right wingers who support Israel today are LGBTQ+ advocates. Did we forget the thread on TERB titled "The LGBTQ Hate Thread"? 😂

6. Gaza IS a prison. Almost. Israel controls land, air and sea. Strictly controls what goes in and out. Controls essentials like food, power, water - which as you know they were able to cut off while people panicked in darkness at hospitals in Gaza. In 2014, they even restricted calories of food, which is some dystopian bullshit. The 10,000+ dead people should also tell you what a big prison Gaza really is.

7. Notice how when he talks about Gaza and the Palestinians, he refers to and keeps referring to Hamas. Because he wants to equate Palestinians with Hamas. Do you think Palestinians even care about the Hamas charter?

In short, Hamas are Palestinians. Palestinians are not Hamas. And this is some ultra-right wing, Bibi-esque propaganda and pseudo-historical revisionism.
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1. Arabs in Jordan agreed to it because they get the best land...Palestinians don't want Jews to have a state...alongside theirs...and Jerusalem as capital (lOl)
2. That was an extremist objective ( Hamas agrees to it)
4. How can you claim etchnic cleansing of arabs "driven" out of Israel where there is still substantial Muslim Arabs inside Israel...compared it to How many Jews live COMFORTABLY in Syria, Yemen, Iran, Lebanon?
5. What's right wingers got to do with this argument?
6. Hamas controls anything that goes to Gaza...If they can bring building materials to build tunnels and make rockets...what stops them from bringing goods for the palestinians?
7. Palestinians care bout the Hamas charter enough to vote for them...
 
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richaceg said:
1. Arabs in Jordan agreed to it because they get the best land...Palestinians don't want Jews to have a state...alongside theirs...and Jerusalem as capital (lOl)
2. That was an extremist objective ( Hamas agrees to it)
4. How can you claim etchnic cleansing of arabs "driven" out of Israel where there is still substantial Muslim Arabs inside Israel...compared it to How many Jews live COMFORTABLY in Syria, Yemen, Iran, Lebanon?
5. What's right wingers got to do with this argument?
6. Hamas controls anything that goes to Gaza...If they can bring building materials to build tunnels and make rockets...what stops them from bringing goods for the palestinians?
7. Palestinians care bout the Hamas charter enough to vote for them...
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Stop arguing about the history.
Just ceasefire, end the occupation and end apartheid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722182620040327672
 
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Frankfooter said:
Mandrill, its an occupation. Palestine, including Gaza, are occupied territories. Israel does not have the right to self defence against the people its occupying according to international law.

Its the occupation that is the source of all the violence, not the indigenous people resorting to violence and terrorism. If you call Hamas 'terrorists' for targeting civilians then you need to explain why you don't call Israelis 'terrorists' for doing the same thing but on 10x the scale.

Israel is killing Palestinians all through the West Bank and enabling settler terrorist attacks there at the same time, this is a war on Palestinians, not Hamas. You don't withhold all food and water to 2.3 million civilians on a war on 'terrorism'.
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Keep crying .... Hamas are still firing rockets...Israel is offering a 3 day pause if hostages are released...that's a step forward...but no...Hamas wants more blood....who really causes the deaths of Palestinians here?
 
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Frankfooter said:
There were 233 settler terrorist attacks in 2023 before Oct 7.
No Israel supporter called out any of those terrorist attacks.
Not one.
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How nice of you to squeeze in "terrorist" in that phrase...I don't support terrorist attacks...and hostage takings...do you?
 
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Kautilya said:
1. Palestinians disagree with the premise of Israel. And they WERE right, in 1948, because Israel is the result of colonial paper partition. Britain was a colonial power and they did not have a right to take the land and give it to someone else, who did not live there in the first place.
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The British didn't give the land to Israel. The British won it in war, relinquished it to the UN pending their withdrawal, squabbling meant nothing but empty words existed until they left, at which point Israel took it upon themselves to declare independence, with substantive de jure recognitions by a majority of nations giving legitimacy to Israeli statehood almost a year later.

Balfour was a promise to support a "national home", not to create one, and the British intentionally selected "national home" as the term to use because it's vague and has no legal context. The British had made a far more strongly-worded promise to Arabs before that.

Even the UN partition plan (General Assembly Resolution 181(ii) - the UN isn't particularly inspiring in their naming of things) which was adopted to partition the region was never actually implemented. The Jewish Yishuv, who absolutely did live in the area, declared independence. Nobody gave it to them (unless you take their religious view that God gave it to them); they took it themselves.
 
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Jubee said:
Imagine people believing that THEIR RELIGION is THE ONLY religion and then claim it teaches how to be kind, love, etc, only to go out and kill anyone who doesn't believe the same.
Or believing that you're a such a special group of people that you're "the chosen ones".

I'm not picking out any one religion here, but this is the result of all that kind of thinking.
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Yea. Imagine that.
Islam the only true religion (islamweb.net)
 
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DinkleMouse said:
The British didn't give the land to Israel. The British won it in war, relinquished it to the UN pending their withdrawal, squabbling meant nothing but empty words existed until they left, at which point Israel took it upon themselves to declare independence, with substantive de jure recognitions by a majority of nations giving legitimacy to Israeli statehood almost a year later.

Balfour was a promise to support a "national home", not to create one, and the British intentionally selected "national home" as the term to use because it's vague and has no legal context. The British had made a far more strongly-worded promise to Arabs before that.

Even the UN partition plan (General Assembly Resolution 181(ii) - the UN isn't particularly inspiring in their naming of things) which was adopted to partition the region was never actually implemented. The Jewish Yishuv, who absolutely did live in the area, declared independence. Nobody gave it to them (unless you take their religious view that God gave it to them); they took it themselves.
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Frankfooter said:
Have you ever called out settler terrorist attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank?
Until you actively do so, you are supporting terrorism.
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Settlers and Palestinians conflict have been going on for decades...What has Abbas done? He's got no balls to protect his people from settler criminals....Israel don't condone those attacks...they also acknowledge Israeli extremists and deals with them...but on the otherside...attacks on Israelis are celebrated....so you love the celebrations yet?
 
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richaceg said:
Settlers and Palestinians conflict have been going on for decades...What has Abbas done? He's got no balls to protect his people from settler criminals....Israel don't condone those attacks...they also acknowledge Israeli extremists and deals with them...but on the otherside...attacks on Israelis are celebrated....so you love the celebrations yet?
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You're still a terrorist supporter, now you're just trying to justify settler terrorism by blaming the victims.
How did you become a terrorist supporter who calls for genocide?
 
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