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Israel at war

richaceg

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There were 233 settler terrorist attacks in 2023 before Oct 7.
No Israel supporter called out any of those terrorist attacks.
Not one.
How nice of you to squeeze in "terrorist" in that phrase...I don't support terrorist attacks...and hostage takings...do you?
 

DinkleMouse

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1. Palestinians disagree with the premise of Israel. And they WERE right, in 1948, because Israel is the result of colonial paper partition. Britain was a colonial power and they did not have a right to take the land and give it to someone else, who did not live there in the first place.
The British didn't give the land to Israel. The British won it in war, relinquished it to the UN pending their withdrawal, squabbling meant nothing but empty words existed until they left, at which point Israel took it upon themselves to declare independence, with substantive de jure recognitions by a majority of nations giving legitimacy to Israeli statehood almost a year later.

Balfour was a promise to support a "national home", not to create one, and the British intentionally selected "national home" as the term to use because it's vague and has no legal context. The British had made a far more strongly-worded promise to Arabs before that.

Even the UN partition plan (General Assembly Resolution 181(ii) - the UN isn't particularly inspiring in their naming of things) which was adopted to partition the region was never actually implemented. The Jewish Yishuv, who absolutely did live in the area, declared independence. Nobody gave it to them (unless you take their religious view that God gave it to them); they took it themselves.
 

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How nice of you to squeeze in "terrorist" in that phrase...I don't support terrorist attacks...and hostage takings...do you?
Have you ever called out settler terrorist attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank?
Until you actively do so, you are supporting terrorism.
 

Robert Mugabe

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Imagine people believing that THEIR RELIGION is THE ONLY religion and then claim it teaches how to be kind, love, etc, only to go out and kill anyone who doesn't believe the same.
Or believing that you're a such a special group of people that you're "the chosen ones".

I'm not picking out any one religion here, but this is the result of all that kind of thinking.
Yea. Imagine that.
Islam the only true religion (islamweb.net)
 

Frankfooter

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The British didn't give the land to Israel. The British won it in war, relinquished it to the UN pending their withdrawal, squabbling meant nothing but empty words existed until they left, at which point Israel took it upon themselves to declare independence, with substantive de jure recognitions by a majority of nations giving legitimacy to Israeli statehood almost a year later.

Balfour was a promise to support a "national home", not to create one, and the British intentionally selected "national home" as the term to use because it's vague and has no legal context. The British had made a far more strongly-worded promise to Arabs before that.

Even the UN partition plan (General Assembly Resolution 181(ii) - the UN isn't particularly inspiring in their naming of things) which was adopted to partition the region was never actually implemented. The Jewish Yishuv, who absolutely did live in the area, declared independence. Nobody gave it to them (unless you take their religious view that God gave it to them); they took it themselves.


 
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richaceg

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Have you ever called out settler terrorist attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank?
Until you actively do so, you are supporting terrorism.
Settlers and Palestinians conflict have been going on for decades...What has Abbas done? He's got no balls to protect his people from settler criminals....Israel don't condone those attacks...they also acknowledge Israeli extremists and deals with them...but on the otherside...attacks on Israelis are celebrated....so you love the celebrations yet?
 

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Settlers and Palestinians conflict have been going on for decades...What has Abbas done? He's got no balls to protect his people from settler criminals....Israel don't condone those attacks...they also acknowledge Israeli extremists and deals with them...but on the otherside...attacks on Israelis are celebrated....so you love the celebrations yet?
You're still a terrorist supporter, now you're just trying to justify settler terrorism by blaming the victims.
How did you become a terrorist supporter who calls for genocide?
 

mandrill

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I could why you're so outraged.
These are posters, god damn it!

Urban warfare always leads to collateral damages in property destruction and civilian lives. The US army destroyed Manila almost totally in 1945, driving out the Japanese army. It also destroyed Aachen almost totally in 1944, driving out the German army. This is the reality of war.

Buildings have to be destroyed if your opponent is entrenched in the building.

If HAMAS didn't want this to happen, it shouldn't have attacked on 10/7.
 

mandrill

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Mandrill, its an occupation. Palestine, including Gaza, are occupied territories. Israel does not have the right to self defence against the people its occupying according to international law.

Its the occupation that is the source of all the violence, not the indigenous people resorting to violence and terrorism. If you call Hamas 'terrorists' for targeting civilians then you need to explain why you don't call Israelis 'terrorists' for doing the same thing but on 10x the scale.

Israel is killing Palestinians all through the West Bank and enabling settler terrorist attacks there at the same time, this is a war on Palestinians, not Hamas. You don't withhold all food and water to 2.3 million civilians on a war on 'terrorism'.
C'mon. That's just stupid.

HAMAS tortures, rapes, murders, mutilates and kidnaps Israeli women, childen and old people and Israel isn't allowed to fight back?!?!?!?!?!?!

Take a reality check!
 

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Frankfooter

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Urban warfare always leads to collateral damages in property destruction and civilian lives. The US army destroyed Manila almost totally in 1945, driving out the Japanese army. It also destroyed Aachen almost totally in 1944, driving out the German army. This is the reality of war.

Buildings have to be destroyed if your opponent is entrenched in the building.

If HAMAS didn't want this to happen, it shouldn't have attacked on 10/7.
1) Just because war crimes have happened before doesn't mean they are ok now. If you think 'terrorism' is a war crime you need to call it out when both sides do it. Otherwise you just sound like yet another racist right winger using the word to justify war.

2) Oct 7 was not the beginning. Its just another round of violence like 2008, 2011, 2014, 2018 and 2021. None have stopped the occupied indigenous people from violent resistance to the occupation. You need to address root causes.

Genocide will not bring peace.

 
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richaceg

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You're still a terrorist supporter, now you're just trying to justify settler terrorism by blaming the victims.
How did you become a terrorist supporter who calls for genocide?
Keep crying...Israel don't condone their criminals...the palestinians voted terrorists in...
 

Frankfooter

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You defend terrorist...so who between the 2 of us support terrorists?
You.

I call for anyone accused of war crimes, including what you call 'terrorism' to be investigated and charged by the ICC. For international law to be respected. Which means I'm calling out terrorism on both sides.

You won't.
So you are the terrorist supporter who has now also called out for genocide.

 
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