Israel at war

drewstar

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Yeah because the settlements, checkpoints, walls, literally controlling land, air and sea, ID systems, turning off water, power and food or even retaining the ability to do it etc do not count as oppression to you?

Yes, the majority demographic 100 years ago, were Arab Muslims. But I also agree that they should share.

The British were a colonial power. They have no rights to colonize other lands and hand it off to another people who did not live there for the most part. Even Boris Johnson the former PM of UK acknowledges it so. The formation of Israel was a colonial endeavour. Hear it form Israel's former leaders themselves here:

Colonization has happened everywhere on the planet throughout history. This is reality. The point is, the oppression angle is being directed at the incorrect group - which is the most baffling part of the free palestine movement. If adults cant figure out what’s right vs wrong, how will the next generation of indoctrinated children handle this? They are taught to hate the west. And dont even realize hamas is the one oppressing their “own people”. They have the money to live billionaire lives in Qatar, but then their “own people” live in poverty etc? Stockholm syndrome is real.
 
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Leimonis

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Nonsense.
Tlaib has never called for genocide.
from the river to the sea means genocide of jews in israel.

there is no jews in egypt or in syria or in lebanon or in jordan. And there would be no jews in "from the river to the sea". That's why there will be no "from the river to the sea".
 

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Colonization has happened everywhere on the planet throughout history. This is reality. The point is, the oppression angle is being directed at the incorrect group -
Israel is the military occupying power.
They are the oppressors.

They have destroyed the houses of half of the population
Its genocide, clearly targeting civilians.
No water, no food, no power.

 

drewstar

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That is the source of the oppression.
One foreign colonizer 'gifting' a country to another foreign colonizer.
Now you're still stuck with a larger population of indigenous Palestinians than Jews.

It is not oppression when there is more than one ethnic group indigenous to the land. Repeating a lie over and over again doesnt make it the truth.

 

Frankfooter

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from the river to the sea means genocide of jews in israel.

there is no jews in egypt or in syria or in lebanon or in jordan. And there will be no jews in "from the river to the sea". That's why there will be no "from the river to the sea".
So then Zionists are also genocidal, since Netanyahu's party also says 'from the river to the sea'.
The difference being that you claim one side wants and then support it when the other side does it.

Likud charter:



 

Frankfooter

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It is oppression when its targeted on one indigenous, ethnic group.

 

Frankfooter

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Well at least there's 3 people now that doesn't know what carpet bombing looks like.....
There is one more person who justifies terrorism.
Targeting civilians is terrorism.

When will you call out terrorism and stop supporting it?
 

Butler1000

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Depends where the apostate is. In a majority of Muslim countries nothing happens. The ones with the death penalty are not even the most populated Muslim states. I literally count just 6 countries with death penalty.

So stop stereotyping Muslims and instead talk about specific countries and their laws.

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There are official laws, then there is street justice. Countryside justice. You know that as well it happens for different reasons in India as well.

But note several nations still have it. Based on the Quran. That it suggests it as valid still makes it a cult.
 
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Leimonis

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Were that true you'd also have to admit Likud is genocidal.
nope

millions of arabs live in israel, they are in parliament and sitting on supreme court

nothing like that is happening with jews anywhere in the middle east where arabs are in power. Not even close.
 

Frankfooter

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nope

millions of arabs live in israel, they are in parliament and sitting on supreme court

nothing like that is happening with jews anywhere in the middle east where arabs are in power. Not even close.
True, there is nowhere else that is apartheid.

Israel is still killing children and you're still defending them.
 

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There is one more person who justifies terrorism.
Targeting civilians is terrorism.

When will you call out terrorism and stop supporting it?
I just called out terrorism...everyday...
I don't support them at all...
They're pathetic? What do you think?
On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)



The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:


"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)

"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)



The call to jihad:


"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)

"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about." (Article 33)



Rejection of a negotiated peace settlement:


"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)



Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:


"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)



Anti-Semitic incitement:


The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
 
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