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Israel at war

richaceg

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I forgot to mention, the 4th reason, that you could be a supporter of Israel, because it is the socially and politically acceptable/easier thing to do. After all western nations support Israel because they don't want to be considered "Nazis".
Are those the only valid reasons you can think of?
I've been to the middle east...LGBTQ aren't accepted in majority of Arab nations...they have rights in Israel.
 

richaceg

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1. Israel has made it worse. It is Israeli oppression that created Hamas in the first place.
2. Air strikes that are indiscriminate that have razed Gaza to the ground and resulted in 10K deaths, without any military objectives being met, purely to collectively punish the Palestinians, is carpet bombing. And a war crime.
Have yet to see any videos in twitter about carpet bombing....
Now imagine if what you said was true... Gaza would've been flattened in day 2...they limited themselves to air strikes on pinged locations...
 

drewstar

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the fact that you keep perpetuating the lie of carpet bombing may help to keep the Jew haters riled up but that does no make it true.

the conditions in Gaza a solely the result of Hamas diverting resources and never repudiating their avowed goal of eliminating Israel.
Couldnt agree more. The oppression angle is ironic to me.

1. Hamas is the one doing the oppressing.
2. The land did not belong SOLELY to Arab Muslims. By definition, that is NOT oppression.

The British also won the Ottoman war - and gave the land to the Jews. Unfortunately for the Arab world, to the victors go the spoils. A two state peace solution has been offered many times only to be rejected each time.
 

Frankfooter

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I have said it time and again, Hamas created the problem for the Palestinian people...the moment they took the win as the ruling party...democracy was out the door...no more elections....that sounds like out of Vlad Putins...playbook...Some people have the audacity to say Hamas & Israel are both "terrorists"...(franky does)....Hamas was responsible for the multiple suicide bombings in Israel targeting civilians...and people still think what they did is justified...If we're now in the stance that October 7 was justified....We can no longer call Hamas terrorists...from here on out we no longer call out their past actions (suicide bombings etc etc) and future actions (next round of violence) I would bet my house on it...we're back to justifying everything because of "75 years of oppression" (BS if you ask me)...it creates a very dangerous precedent....
You've said it but its wrong.
The occupation is 75 years old, it started way before Hamas.

The problem is Zionism and colonization.
 

toguy5252

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Only a blind partisan, would look at the carnage and the deaths in Gaza and a) Blame Hamas for Israel's military choices and b) Call it 'targeted' strikes. Well it looks like your buddies in Israel are targeting the entirety of the Palestinian population, via indiscriminate car bombings. That is a war crime.

Blame Hamas for the start of this conflict and for the terror attack. But blame Israel for their choices to collectively punish the Palestinians. Assign blame where you should instead of trying to shift blame onto others.



There are plenty of videos of Gaza like that.
Only someone whose only interest was further inflaming Jew hatred would continue to repeat those lies.
 

Frankfooter

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Couldnt agree more. The oppression angle is ironic to me.

The British also won the Ottoman war - and gave the land to the Jews. Unfortunately for the Arab world, to the victors go the spoils. A two state peace solution has been offered many times only to be rejected each time.
That is the source of the oppression.
One foreign colonizer 'gifting' a country to another foreign colonizer.
Now you're still stuck with a larger population of indigenous Palestinians than Jews.

 

Dutch Oven

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Most of the support here in the west for Israel, is either because someone is Jewish, or because they are racist, or because they want to be a "good white person" and support the Jews, and not risk being called antisemitic.
Or because what Israel is doing is justified and necessary for its survival. You left that one out.
 

Leimonis

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I forgot to mention, the 4th reason, that you could be a supporter of Israel, because it is the socially and politically acceptable/easier thing to do. After all western nations support Israel because they don't want to be considered "Nazis".
Or maybe western nations support israel because it’s a Middle East country which nevertheless is not a shithole like Lebanon, Syria or most others
 
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Frankfooter

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Or maybe western nations support israel because it’s a Middle East country which nevertheless is not a shithole like Lebanon, Syria or most others
Both countries which Israel has attack and continue to attack.
How about supporting someone a little less genocidal warmongering.

Do you think Israel is justified in targeting journalists and also wiping out their entire families?
 

toguy5252

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Jew hatred has no meaning these days as it is overused to shut down any criticism of Israel.

They also happen to be extremely racist, and cliquey, especially in Israel. Calling out their racism, oppression and atrocities against the Palestinians is the right thing to do.

If you disagree that they are racist and cliquey, just answer the 2 questions below, and it doesn't even have to be about Palestinians:

a) Why are non-Jews not legally allowed to marry Jews in Israel? - Don't come back at me with - "If the religious leader is willing to do the marriage, then they can get married" - I am talking about LEGAL recognition for inter-religious marriage.
b) Why are Ethiopian Jews not treated as Jews in Israel?
Instead of spewing raciist, antisemetic lies and tropes which you probably get fed on tic toc or wherever why not make an attempt to learn the facts.

the state has removed itself from marriage altogether. Marriage is governed by the various religions do if you have a problem with intermarriage you should take it up with the imans, priests, rabbis and clerics. The government does recognize interfaith marriages and there are a lot of them.
 

Butler1000

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Christians kill a lot more people. Did you forget the 1M killed in Iraq. Or how about Vietnam? Or how about WW2? Christianity and Judaism are just as toxic.

If I convert to Judaism today for example, I still wont be considered a Jew. Because my mom is not Jewish. However, if I convert to Islam, I will be Muslim from day 1. So am wondering, which is the cult?

So yes, your generalized stereotyping of Islam, is racist.



Says who? Facts would disprove your statement. Jewish militants massacred Arabs as much as Arabs did. They were no different. I know you are trained in the western world to always consider Jews as victims, because the holocaust. However, this isn't actually true. They have oppressed and brutalized these Palestinians for atleast the last 50+ years. The oppressor painting themselves the victims is nothing new, because that then gives them the right to do whatever they want. That is what the Nazis did as well. That is why they were able to get support to kill so many Jews in just about every country they invaded. And currently this is what Israel is doing. They are always on the receiving end, they are always the angels. That justifies anything they do to murder, maim and steal from the Palestinians. Their oppression of the Palestinians does not exist. Heck some would argue that Palestinians do not exist. I mean if you deny their identity then you can also deny any injustices meted out to them right? It is evil and racist as fuck.
What happens to Apostates? What is the proscribed penalty?


That makes it a cult. Death if you leave.
 
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