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Frankfooter

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No. The argument is that in 17 years, Hamas has not learned to stop firing rockets and conducting attacks on Israel even thought they know Israel will retaliate and inflict even more damage. Are they that stupid? I guess they're not worried.
The argument is that Israel is a settler colonial state still actively colonizing Palestine.
The fact that put 2 million, mostly refugees, in a giant concentration camp and expected to continue the colonization is madness.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves …politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2


 

Frankfooter

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No. The argument is that in 17 years, Hamas has not learned to stop firing rockets and conducting attacks on Israel even thought they know Israel will retaliate and inflict even more damage. Are they that stupid? I guess they're not worried.
You'll appreciate this, shack.

Hamas is calling on the UN secretary general to come visit Gaza to confirm that they aren't using hospitals.
Think Israel would let them so they can prove to the world their claims are true?

 

shack

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You accept IDF propaganda and now defend terrorist attacks on hospitals.
You Hamas supporters keep asking for proof that Hamas is hiding under hospitals. There you go buddy.

Thanks to canada-man for providing proof or what is actually happening.
 

Frankfooter

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You Hamas supporters keep asking for proof that Hamas is hiding under hospitals. There you go buddy.

Thanks to canada-man for providing proof or what is actually happening.
CM posted a IDF social media post as if it were evidence.
If you think its happening then back the Hamas call for the UN to come and inspect the hospitals.

You're not afraid of what they'd find, are you?
Like you're afraid of all the protests?

 

Butler1000

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Yes people have babies over 75 years. And another 5 million or so claim refugee status (descendants of the people who fled back in 1948). So they would argue the population should have been 10 million and not 5.
Lol.
 

shack

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Every Israel supporter should read letters like these.

On Thursday morning, October 26, I woke up to the news of yet another massacre in Gaza.
On Oct. 7 I woke to the news of another attack by Hamas on elderly and/or infant and/or female Israeli citizens. Why do people like frank continue to praise their brutalization by terrorists?
 

shack

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I don't think anyone is saying, dont do anything about it. Hamas needs to be neutralized. But the method that Israel is using is where the criticism is, because it is akin to burning the haystack to find the needle.
If that needle is causing so much pain, then Israel is willing to accept that criticism, haystack be damned. The needle poked too many people and needs to be removed.
 

Frankfooter

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As Rosie. AND YOU, admitted, it is all driven by hatred of Israel and Jews.
I hate the policies of Israel, as every decent person should hate apartheid and genocide.
Jews, like Palestinians are just people. There are good and bad everywhere, you can't hate an entire people for the evil doings of a few.

There are lots of really great Jews willing stand up for what is good.
Unlike you.

 
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Frankfooter

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Good, because, by definition, Israel is not committing any of those.

They are not discriminating against certain citizens and they are attacking any particular race.
I'm sure that's what people in Germany said as well.
Click on the links, read the reports and tell me what they got wrong.

A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

Jewish Currents


Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert
 

shack

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Are you saying Israelis are programmed robots that cannot make a choice?
They are not robots who are programmed. They are making a choice based on the circumstances. As it turns out, the only logical choice is the one that they arrived at by logic and analysis.

Hamas is programmed to hate. Obviously they weren't able to analyze that every time they attack Israel, they are going to pay a very heavy price.

THAT is being programmed.
 

shack

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It is not about the hostages because Israeli strikes has killed 60 of them. Israel does not care about the hostages.

Their priority is to collectively punish the Palestinians Hamas, because that is just how racist they are Hamas killed 1,400 civilians. That also happens to be a war crime.
 
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