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Israel at war

shack

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Well they are. I am yet to hear you call out Israel's war crimes.
I said that they very well may be war crimes.

However Hamas has put Israel in a difficult position where either they turn a blind eye and allow Hamas to continue slaughtering their citizens (which no country in the world would allow) or eliminate Hamas with the understanding civilians would be collateral damage. Israel has a difficult choice.

Hamas choice is to protect their citizens or intentionally putting them in harm's way,

If each is committing war crimes, one side could easily choose not to the other side has no EASY choice. One is easier to condemn that the other.
 

Frankfooter

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I said that they very well may be war crimes.

However Hamas has put Israel in a difficult position where either they turn a blind eye and allow Hamas to continue slaughtering their citizens (which no country in the world would allow) or eliminate Hamas with the understanding civilians would be collateral damage. Israel has a difficult choice.

Hamas choice is to protect their citizens or intentionally putting them in harm's way,

If each is committing war crimes, one side could easily choose not to the other side has no EASY choice. One is easier to condemn that the other.
Or you just end the frigging occupation and apartheid and don't commit war crimes that turn your country and movement into a pariah.

 
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They live in a concentration camp with one of the highest density areas on the planet.
There is nowhere for them to go.
Then why did Hamas not think of this before their terrorist attack of Oct. 7. They, and you, knew that Israel would respond.

Are all of you stupid to not foresee this, or is the opportunity to kill more Israelis make you salivate too much?
 

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shack

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We all condemn Hamas and their war crimes. We also condemn their terrorism. But terrorism has reasons and does not occur in isolation and therefore cannot be viewed in isolation, when you look to eradicate it.
So, in one breath you both condemn war crimes and also justify them. My head is spinning.


Hamas was born because of Israeli occupation, oppression and war crimes. I mean, there was no Hamas in 1948! People join Hamas due to anger towards Israel. What do you think the Palestinians are feeling right now? Do you think what they are feeling will help Israel's intent to wipe out Hamas?
Israel was born in 1948. There was no occupation of Gaza. Yet Palestinians were already angry with Israel.

So Israel should refrain from committing war crimes, and pursue a different way of handling Hamas, while also pursuing a diplomatic solution to secure long term peace.
So Hamas should stop attacking Israel with their terrorist attacks and help their people instead of oppressing them.
 

shack

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Ceasefire
End apartheid
End the occupation
Israel is winning and will win.

Hamas surrender.
Hamas release the hostages.
Hams give up control of Gaza.

Hamas is the one who can stop the war the quickest and can save the most lives.
 

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What kind of an abomination, what manner of filth, what dregs of mankind of a terrorist would shield themselves under the baby incubator of their brother’s and sister’s child ?

What kind of abomination declares every person in Gaza a terrorist to justify killing them and their family?
What kind of abomination not only targets and kills journalists, but also wipes out 42 members of their family?
Gaza journalist killed alongside 42 relatives, news agency says
 
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The fact that you never condemn for any act counts as supporting them.

What things have they done that you condemn as a war crime or an act of terror?
As repeatedly stated.
Hamas should be investigated and charged with targeting civilians, as should Israel.
There is no legal 'terrorism' charge, only targeting civilians, which is the same thing.

38% of the protests around the world are about Israel and 90% of those support Palestinians.
Nobody likes zionists.

Not most Canadians and even 25% of US Jews say Israel is apartheid.
Only 7% of Americans had a positive view of zionism before this attack.
73% of Americans say that if the two state solution is dead a democratic Israel is more important than a Jewish one.



 

shack

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Gaslighting, I call for a ceasefire.
That does not end the war. It extends it by allowing Hamas to rearm and regroup. More Gazans die. Why are you supporting that?


Gaslighting, I call for a ceasefire and sanctions against Israel for apartheid.
BDS has been going on for years and years and has been ineffective. How many more years would it take to have any effect, all the while the war continues and more Gazans die. You are supporting that.


Gaslighting, I call for sanctions to end apartheid and end the cycle of violence.
See above. All your supposed solutions result in more Gazan casualties and this is what you support. There is no apartheid. Israel treats its' citizens equally. Gazans are not citizens of Israel.

I suggest that Hamas surrenders and releases all hostages. The war ends immediately. No hostages are harmed and Gazan death and suffering ends immediately. Why don't you support the smart and humane thing to do?

Both sides are committing war crimes.
Both sides should ceasefire and both sides should be investigated.
That's pretty vague. Which specific incidents of war crimes from each side are you referring to?
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How is this different from 2008, 2011, 2014, 2018 and 2021, when Israel made the same claims and tried the same tactics?
You haven't been following. Their goals are very different this time. Previously the goal for Israel was only to dish out punishment as a general tit for tat because of attacks against them.

This time the goal is to wipe out Hamas and their leadership, their tunnels, their infrastructure, their war rooms etc. They have not attempted such a thorough dismantling of of Hamas previously. So to say they are trying the same thing is blatantly false.


Why repeat failure?
Hahahahahaha. You are a comedian. Repeating failure has been Hamas' calling card.
They attack and attack and attack and then lose and lose and lose some more. They have not won a single war and in fact Gaza ends out in a worse position each time.

Do you have anybody writing your jokes for you or are you just this naturally talented? You know a great many of the most famous comedians of all time have been Jewish. Did you hire some Jewish writers to help your material because that last one was priceless.


Biden has already called for a ceasefire.
No he HAS NOT. He supports Israel's position and has only asked for some humanitarian pauses, which Israel has provided.
Netanyahu knows his political career is done if he stops, but without US support he'll have to stop.
Agreed.

Global sanctions will grow.
While more Gazans die.
Israel will be forced to end apartheid.
Of which there is none. Treating non-citizens differently than citizens is NOT apartheid.
Palestinians will be given the vote.
If they are citizens of Israel, they already have it. If they aren't then they'll have to agree to a treaty and form an actual country and allow their citizens to vote.

Actually Gazans DID have a vote, but unfortunately they voted for Hamas but Hamas took it away and now there have been no elections for 16 years.

Do you support Hamas allowing free and democratic elections in Gaza?
 
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