Israel at war

[Not getting younger]

I don't have to. Are you also saying they realistically will not do the right things like perhaps giving land back to the Palestinians or some such?

You don’t have to but have for 300 pages. So either you don’t seem to understand war, or don’t understand nothing else has worked nor that people eminently more qualified have tried to think of things be they fences, sanctions, spec ops, intelligence, Mosad, treaties.

“what don’t you understand?”

 

[Frankfooter]

Why did Hamas put so many Gazans directly in harm's way?

Good of you to call them out.

They live in a concentration camp with one of the highest density areas on the planet.
There is nowhere for them to go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721844134502183394

 

[Not getting younger]

TERB's antisemites are the same people who supported Charlottesville, who hate Muslims and love their dear leader, the orange clown extraordinaire, who said "There are good people on both sides".



Israel has never stood by its own promises in the past. Not once. They kept expanding and taking land. So, no, the former treaties failed not just because of the Palestinians, but also because of the Israelis.

name a peace agreement they broke.
Anything else you name can be regurgitated tit for tat with random terrorist attacks.

 

[Frankfooter]

He didn't say that.

Intentional misrepresentation. AKA lying.

Nonsense.
That is what he said.

Clearly Hamas knew in advance that hell was coming down upon them when they launched the terrorist attack of Oct. 7.

It didn't seem to bother or deter them (or YOU) then, why does it bother you now. You've endorsed Oct. 7 knowing what the repercussions, ergo, you support the 10,000 deats. And furthermore you support the deaths of, who knows how many, more by not endorsing a Hamas surrender and release of hostages, which would result in the immediate cessation of more innocent Gazans.

Why do you favour death and destruction? Why do you love when so much unnecessary blood is spilled? Why are you a warmonger?

Admit that you know what I suggest would save so many more Gazan lives.

You are a coward. You are afraid to voice your opinions on the streets of Toronto to Palestine protesters.

I've been arguing here for years that to end the cycle of violence you need to end the occupation and apartheid.
All of the violence is stupid and preventable.

Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation, they are within their rights to attack Israel. That doesn't mean I support it, I support BDS instead. If you don't want them to attack end the stupid 75 year old occupation.

Ceasefire
End apartheid
End the occupation

 

[Frankfooter]

frank just loves to see people die instead. He's a warmonger.

Gaslighting.
So incredibly dishonest coming from someone who doesn't even have the humanity to say its wrong to kill babies.

 

[Frankfooter]

So now you are claiming that is no anti-Semitism in the world? Only one type of person would make such a disgraceful claim.

Gaslighting, shack.
I said you're using an antisemitic trope by trying to argue that zionism represents the entire Jewish people.

 

[Frankfooter]

As Golda Meir said, "... We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. There will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel."

Was Meir the first to use the wife beater's defence?
'they are forcing us to bomb babies'

Own it, Israel has chosen genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721704465273700356

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

TERB's antisemites are the same people who supported Charlottesville, who hate Muslims and love their dear leader, the orange clown extraordinaire, who said "There are good people on both sides"

How did I know the guilty party would respond to my post

 

[Leimonis]

Yup, 80% of dems support a ceasefire.
The longer this lasts the more they'll be pissed at Biden.

Now Herzog wants US Universities to stop protests for Palestine. A foreign government demanding that the US stop students from protesting against genocide. That should really play well with dems.

Herzog to US Uni. presidents: How can Hamas supporters have a place at your schools?

Israeli President writes open letter to heads of American universities and colleges on the outbreak of antisemitism on college campuses.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Let’s see how well it will play with Dems if trump gets elected

 

[Frankfooter]

Let’s see how well it will play with Dems if trump gets elected

Yes, that could be the price Biden pays for supporting genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721898082097602830

 

[richaceg]

Gaslighting.
So incredibly dishonest coming from someone who doesn't even have the humanity to say its wrong to kill babies.

Gaslighting? You're the person calling everyone pro-genocide for calling out Hamas as terrorists, if they are not, then what are they?

 

[DinkleMouse]

How effective is the Covert ops going to be in Gaza? that's pretty much the beginning of this topic.

No, the beginning of this topic was you saying Covert Ops doesn't operate in hostile territory.

So tell us: why isn't Covert Ops going to be effective in Gaza? Clearly you think you understand the topic better than we do so explain it to us.

 

[DinkleMouse]

Well, Israel's still around, and it's now 2023-----LMAO Hamas has been a constant threat to Israel, since Israel's inception in 1948!! Israel has been in constant danger of being eliminated since 1948!!

Hamas didn't exist in 1948.

And yet you claim you're not a troll?

 

[Frankfooter]

Gaslighting? You're the person calling everyone pro-genocide for calling out Hamas as terrorists, if they are not, then what are they?

I call people out for supporting genocide because Israel is targeting civilians, civilian infrastructure, destroying all water and food supplies and banning water, food and power to 2.3 million people, including 1.2 million children that have nothing to do with Hamas.

Its gaslighting to claim I said its for calling out Hamas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721956635801723138

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721776339231855083

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721905892638289924

 

[Butler1000]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-not-war-crimes-spencer

A different and likely correct opinion on the War Crimes judgements flying about.

John Spencer - Modern War Institute

Chair of Urban Warfare Studies John W. Spencer currently serves as the chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute, codirector of the Urban Warfare Project, and host of the Urban Warfare Project Podcast. He is also a founding member of the International Working Group on...

mwi.westpoint.edu

Here is the author's bio for reference

 

[shack]

Yes. I think the people who are discriminated the most today, are black people. Not Jews.

So now hatred is a quantitative thing? Who is hated more is supposed to be relevant?

Systemic racism is a bigger issue, than a bunch of neo-Nazis marching the streets yelling "Jews will not replace us". Yes, it is anti-semitic. Yes, it is racist. But no, it is not as much of a serious problem as systemic racism. Atleast in the west. That is the primary form of racism you find in the west today. Not the violent kind during Nazi times.

What an utterly rubbish comment.

You post that and hypocritically talk about Israeli racism against Palestinians? It's a smaller issue.

Accusing people of pro-Palestine support of anti-semitism, is just an old tactic, that is no longer effective. It aims to achieve 2 primary objectives:

You're beginning to sound like frank by gaslighting. I never said that. You are implying that I said ALL people who are pro-Palestinian to be anti-Semitic. I said there has been anti-Semitism throughout history and there are still people who hate Jews for no other reason than they are Jewish. It would be very convenient for those people to pretend to be pro-Palestinian so that they can display their hate without having to show that they're just Jew haters at heart.

Lack of facts from my side? Did you miss Klatuu and Frank's posts, and my own posts that highlight a) The war crimes currently being committed

I've addressed those dozens of times.

b) The racism and apartheid of the Israeli govt. c) The racism that is inherent in Israeli society and culture.

Yes. I think the people who are discriminated the most today, are black people. Not Jews.

So, as you say in this very post, discrimination against Palestinians is not the biggest issue. And if you want to talk about systemic racism against Palestinians, lets talk about the systemic racism against Jews in every muslim nation such that Jews were driven out of all of those countries. Where is you moral outrage there. And if it's systemic racism/apartheid why are there Arab/Palestinian members of the Israeli Knesset?

And did you source check Conil's posts? The majority are from hate sites, far right wing sites etc., Some examples of his sources:

Hypocrisy when you never call out Klutz' and franks ultra extreme pro-Palestinian sources. BLATANT HYPOCRISY BY YOU.

So far you have edited posts, trying to twist words.

Try saying that to frank every time he twists words, which is dozens of times a day.

 

[shack]

May be covert ops to take out Hamas leaders

I've inquired a couple of times what these covert ops would look like, how long would they take, how would they be successful in eradicating all of Hamas and their weapons/infrastructure which is their stated goal.

I'd like to have a better understanding. Can you please enlighten? It almost seems like this is intentional. It's sort of like you are just throwing out phrases without having any idea what you are talking about.

 

[Frankfooter]

So now hatred is a quantitative thing? Who is hated more is supposed to be relevant?


What an utterly rubbish comment.

You post that and hypocritically talk about Israeli racism against Palestinians? It's a smaller issue.

You're beginning to sound like frank by gaslighting. I never said that. You are implying that I said ALL people who are pro-Palestinian to be anti-Semitic. I said there has been anti-Semitism throughout history and there are still people who hate Jews for no other reason than they are Jewish. It would be very convenient for those people to pretend to be pro-Palestinian so that they can display their hate without having to show that they're just Jew haters at heart.

I've addressed those dozens of times.




So, as you say in this very post, discrimination against Palestinians is not the biggest issue. And if you want to talk about systemic racism against Palestinians, lets talk about the systemic racism against Jews in every muslim nation such that Jews were driven out of all of those countries. Where is you moral outrage there. And if it's systemic racism/apartheid why are there Arab/Palestinian members of the Israeli Knesset?

Hypocrisy when you never call out Klutz' and franks ultra extreme pro-Palestinian sources. BLATANT HYPOCRISY BY YOU.


Try saying that to frank every time he twists words, which is dozens of times a day.

You constantly try to gaslight me by accusing me of supporting Hamas.
This is a standard trick by zionists right now.

Someone in Calgary was arrested for saying 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free'.
Arrested.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721938202359984565

The same way President Herzog demanded that US universities all stop Palestine protests because he says they are supporting 'Hamas'.
This is gaslighting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719815142794219647

 

[DinkleMouse]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-not-war-crimes-spencer

A different and likely correct opinion on the War Crimes judgements flying about.

The man literally wrote the book on modern MOUT and actually engaged in it. On one hand it's hard to disagree with him. On the other hand I do.

He's assuming everything Israel is saying they've done is true. He's assuming all they actually have intelligence indicating what they claim they did.

And yet that's exactly the position the US was in when Bush was about to be indicted. I also think he's misframing "necessity" because there's no mention of it in Hague, Geneva or Rome. There's the legal maxim of "quod est necessarium est licitum", but following the ICRC link in his essay I still read the same as I always have: the counter to necessity is proportionality (and self-defense). If it's as simple as saying "Oh it was necessary for our objective", then nothing is a war crime.

And that's where we disagree. He's saying, "But then everything would be a war crime," and I'm saying, "But then nothing would be a war crime," and that's the difficult thing with proportionality. As alluded to in his dissertation and references, "it's trying to strike a balance" which is difficult when putting war against civilian lives.

I also think he's in a tough spot because everyone knows who he is. He's got enough experience to know he can't just trust everything Israel says just life he can't trust everything anyone else in the region is saying. It's probably more wise to give Israel the benefit of the doubt for now because that's easy to retract. Whereas no one knows me. I don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. So he's assuming Israel has the intelligence they claim they do and that their operations were carried out the way they claimed that they were and that they have the evidence that they claim that have. I'm not giving them that benefit of the doubt because civilians are dying and I'm not trusting by nature.

If evidence comes out showing that there were people shooting or the windows of hospitals they bombed, I'll admit I was wrong. But I don't feel bad about it. Erring on the side of caution when it comes to thousands of dead civilians is a "mistake" I can live with.

 

[shack]

I'm all for negotiations.
Ceasefire and negotiate for returning all prisoners/hostages on both sides.
Charge the leaders of both sides for all war crimes.
End apartheid.
End the occupation.

Stop the genocide.

Why are you against this?

Why are you against saving Gazan lives?
Why do you promote the continued bombing of Gaza and the inherent casualties?
Why make the suffering last longer?

Release the hostages immediately.
Hamas surrender unconditionally and give up control of Gaza.
Not that it is genocide, but the killing would stop immediately.
Being the humanitarian you claim to be (fraudster) you'd be saving thousands of lives of Gazans rather than your drawn out cockamamie plan.

Israel is going to win the war, regardless. Why make more innocent people needlessly die?

How do you think this war will play out, frank?