Israel at war
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Gee I'm sorry they don't have live feed of the kidnapped children in the tunnels yet. Abigal in the picture below was 3 years old when kidnapped on October 7 to Gaza. Mother Smadar was murdered, father Roy was murdered, her brothers hid in a closet for 14 hours and were saved.
Abigal is alone surrounded by monsters in human form. Who wipes her tears when she cries?
But Frank is happy with your post.
Palestinians need new leadership but humans are human. On the other hand, the Arab Israelis who are descended from those who put living in peace ahead of primal hatred do get along with Israeli Jews despite systemic racism and polls have repeatedly show that in a Two State peace, they overwhelmingly want to stay Israeli.
Sorry but you are your little buddy are the only ones pushing a hateful agenda here. While you are still claiming Israel is illegitimate and Jews are colonizers, most of the rest of us want a negotiated peace.
the fact that you also just tried to claim that Hamas' attack on the 7th targeted the Israeli military shows how disgusting your world view is.
Why do you insist the Palestinians be force to become Israeli? Once again you show you don't care about Palestinian self determination or human rights.
If she was kidnapped lets hope she wasn't killed by Israeli bombs with the 60 others that are now dead.
Lets hope a ceasefire happens soon and the violence ends and all are returned to their homes.
Lets hope Gaza is rebuilt and apartheid is ended.
Oct 7 only showed that Israel needs to end apartheid, the blockade and the occupation.
That cycles of violence only lead to more cycles of violence.
This is the demonstration that we should be talking about.
BDS is a Palestinian movement.
I back BDS.
Your post is like MEMRI, an intentional mistranslation.
Its hate speech.
This is a report from Biden's State department.
So he sent Israel $14 billion for more bombs.
So he sent Israel $14 billion for more bombs.
Not only has Israel’s Gaza civilian slaughter recruited a new generation of freedom fighters, it has supercharged the development of Palestinian civil society around the globe. This new level of organization and energy will drive powerful legal, political and media strategies to push Palestinian interests forward.
My suggestion is obviously a short term solution because a peace has to be negotiated and enforced. frank would oppose it. Despite falsely claiming how much he's concerned about the Gazans, he'd rather see thousands and thousands more die than having to capitulate to the Israelis/Jews.
I don't know if I can pick a number but clearly anybody who says that they are confident a deal can be reached would have a Pollyana syndrome.
Ah, your solution is for one side to capitulate and then go back to the same status quo, cycle of violence, with a temporary break.
Its time to end apartheid and the occupation.
That is the only way towards a lasting solution.
#ZionismisNazism is trending today.
Congrats, you're really doing well.
Germany and France tried to stop protests.
Now you've got people in Korea protesting you.
Please allow me to rephrase what you said a bit.Agreed. Facts don't change. Using human shields is a war crime. Deliberately killing those human shields to get to the people behind them is also a war crime.
Israel knows full well that when they go after Hamas a lot of civilians are going to die as a result. But, they are targetting Hamas, with which most people agree.
When you say "deliberately killing the human shields/civilians" then you are saying that they are targetting those civilians which I don't believe is true. When they drop a bomb on a Hamas position, they and everybody else knows that it's unavoidable that civilians will die, but that does not mean that they were the target.
It's not like they have to kill the civilians to to also hit Hamas. Calling them a shield is figurative. Their bodies of skin and bone are not going to protect Hamas and stop a bomb like a shield stops a spear. It's not like "Oh there's 10 people standing over that tunnel and we have to kill them before a bomb can hurt Hamas". The bomb will create the same damage to the tunnel whether civilians are there or not. It serves no purpose to target civilians when they want Hamas. It actually works against them because they lose public support in many areas around the world.
Human shield means that it's supposed stop Israel from bombing for out of compassion for human life. But this time Hamas crossed the line and it forces Israel to not show compassion or restraint all the time. Undoubtedly they are losing their humanity. They tried warning the Gazans to go somewhere MORE safe seeing as no place is totally safe. But because of Hamas' strategy and the fact they truly don't want peace with Israel, I'm not sure what other options Israel has.
I'm not ruling out that Israel is committing war crimes. I'm saying it's complicated.
Hamas initiates the situation by using human shield. They have triggered/forced Israeli retaliation. Israel has had enough after the barbaric slaughter of Oct. 7.
So their state goal is to rid the world of Hamas, which is a good thing for the world. So if Hamas won't negotiate peace and release the hostages and Israel MUST eliminate them, how do they do that without falling into the PR trap. So yeah, Israel has lost their humanity and sense of compassion for other humans, but what option do they have. They have to call Hamas' bluff in spite of losing ground in the court of public opinion.
Israel didn't start this most current conflict and they are not the ones putting civilians in harms way, so is it a war crime? I honestly don't know. Even though Israel may be pulling the trigger, Hamas bears far more blame. They knew in advance what they were/are sacrificing their citizens while Israel is trying to protect theirs. The two sides are operating very differently.
Let's say Israel is committing war crimes but Israel is still on a mission to destroy Hamas to save their country which Hamas wants to drive into the sea. Israel is on the brink and either let themselves be exterminated by Hamas or destroy Hamas even though there are unsavory consequences. I suspect that almost every country, if faced with Israel's predicament would make the same choice that Israel has.
Wow. I'm exhausted. I don't even have the strength to go back and proofread this so apologies in advance for any typos and/or poor phraseology.
So you are saying that you support that Gazans continue to die at an alarming rate.
And that is NOT an intentional misinterpretation of your words.
Capitulation means the immediate saving of thousands of Gazan lives yet you are against it. If somedoy tells you who they are, believe them. Thanks for reaffirming to TERB, who you are.
BTW, the status quo was a hell of a lot better for the Gazans than what's going on now.
Maybe I missed it, but have you answered my question:
Will more Gazans die if Hamas immediately surrenders or will more Gazans die waiting for blockades to work while Hamas continues to fire rockets and Israel retaliates with predictable results.
Which one will cause more Gazans to die? If you haven't answered then it is you that is the enormous yellow coward.
If you have given a definitive and direct answer, my sincerest apologies. I'll catch up with this thread later to find out.
By being afraid to answer simple question on a daily basis you no longer have the right to call ANYBODY a coward. You have shown your true colours and they are YELLOW and a deeper YELLOW through and through.
FYI, you are embarrassing yourself.
