Israel at war

[shack]

Ok, so where are the reports of evidence that Hamas is using human

I told you before. Watch CNN. Read the NY Times. It is accepted as accurate.

Not just reports that say Israel accuses Hamas, show us the news stories with proof that Hamas used human shields.

Back up your claim.
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Coward.

You just admitted that no reputable news agency reported this. If you had a Reuters report you'd throw it back in my face.

Regardless. From CNN

Rubio: Hamas pattern of using civilians as human shields cannot continue
State of the Union

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida tells CNN's Jake Tapper that "if civilians are in those strongholds, it's because Hamas has placed themselves there—unfortunately, sadly, tragically, but nonetheless, what choice does Israel have?"

Israel – Hamas 2023 Symposium – What is and is not Human Shielding? - Lieber Institute West Point

Nevertheless, Hamas has violated the prohibition by, among other acts, using hostages as shields and preventing civilians from leaving northern Gaza. It has also violated obligations not to use specially protected facilities as shields.

 

[DinkleMouse]

For once, you are right. There IS another solution,

The solution is for Hamas to immediately surrender and release the hostages. Just think of how many lives will be saved just by ending this war quicker.

BDS has been going on for years and will take more years to get Israel to acquiesce.

My solution would basically be instantaneous. It is undeniable that my solution would save many, many lives. They've lost 10,000 Gazans already in 4 weeks. And you want it to keep dragging on and on and on until a boycott works.

This proves that you don't care about the Gazans. You just care about hurting Israel, not saving Palestinian lies.

It would. It would be amazing. It's the best solution out there.

On a scale of 0-100, how sane do you think someone is if they expect terrorists who think everyone that's killed gets to go be a revered martyr in heaven to become reasonable and stop the killing?

 

[DinkleMouse]

Because the facts don't change.

Using humans as shields is a war crime. They are put in the position of being a shield (a war crime) before any Israeli action.

Agreed. Facts don't change. Using human shields is a war crime. Deliberately killing those human shields to get to the people behind them is also a war crime. You keep saying one makes the other not true.

The fact is they are both war crimes. If you think Israel is justified in committing war crimes, just say so rather than trying to argue it's not a war crime.

 

[dirtyharry555]

There will be an exodus of the Jews and the country is going to become a shithole..

It already is.

 

[Frankfooter]

That shows how little Hamas cares for their own people. They are doing something to their own people that nobody has ever done before.

Hamas are savages.

No coward, Hamas is not dropping bombs on civilians.
Israel is doing that.

Even were Hamas to be using civilians as human shields its still a war crime to kill those civilians.

Israel are the savages now.
You are the terrorist supporter now.

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720871220940325024

The cops I talked to said this was the biggest protest they've seen in this city.
The crowd went from Queen street straight up to College along University.
Big crowd of worried looking cops in front of the US embassy, which is now as much to blame as Israel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720871240087359670

 

[Klatuu]

Reality is overtaking Israeli delusions

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720902477388898444

 

[Frankfooter]

Ok. So let's think this through.

If Israel became a secular democratic state, how long do you think it would be before the Muslims would form a single party, which would then be elected by the Muslims, who would easily have the majority votes required to become the governing party of Israel.

THEN you would see real apartheid, if not total expulsion of all the Jews in that new Muslim controlled state, as it is in every other Muslim controlled nation in the region.

And then the Muslims could rename it "Palestine, From The River To The Sea"...

Not going to happen.
But if it does, blame Netanyahu, he single handedly killed the two state solution and brought the crowds out on the street.

The chants today started 'from Turtle Island to sea, Palestine will be free, occupation is illegal'.
Its now a rights movement to protect an indigenous people.
Decolonize.

Whatcha you gonna do?

 

[basketcase]

And how is the deaths of 19,000 Gazans, mostly civilians, many of them children, going to help reduce that hate?
...

It's not.

Problem is that groups like Hamas see nothing other than using force as a means to eliminate the Jewish presence from the region and reject the idea of a permanent Jewish presence as part of a possible future and they don't care how many civilians on either side die. As I said in another post, Hamas thinks that somehow the use of attacks on civilians will force millions of Jews to go somewhere, not understanding that most Israelis have nowhere else to go.

Hamas will never get rid of Israel and Israel isn't able to eliminate Hamas and other groups that have the same goal. That means Israel is simply left with trying to keep violent extremists as weak as possible. The ideal would be world pressure forcing Israel and the PA to negotiate something they can both live with but even then, some kind of force would need to supress the extremist factions from disrupting moves towards peace like has happened many times before. Maybe public pressure within Gaza and the West Bank will push for more responsible leadership but based on polling, a century of hate and the amount of force these foreign backed factions can apply make me suspect it's not going to happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is literally no other scenario. There will be an exodus of the Jews and the country is going to become a shithole like its current neighbours.

Basketcase will confirm this, but I've been posting here for years that Israel is apartheid and needs to end the occupation.
75 years Israel has had to end the occupation.

So now its up to the rest of the world to sanction Israel until they end apartheid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720901832979943784

 

[basketcase]

And I'm sure someone has posted this but once again, hamas puts their violence ahead of their supposed duty to civilians.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Frankfooter]

I told you before. Watch CNN. Read the NY Times. It is accepted as accurate.

Not just reports that say Israel accuses Hamas, show us the news stories with proof that Hamas used human shields.

Back up your claim.

Coward.

You just admitted that no reputable news agency reported this. If you had a Reuters report you'd throw it back in my face.

Regardless. From CNN

Rubio: Hamas pattern of using civilians as human shields cannot continue
State of the Union

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida tells CNN's Jake Tapper that "if civilians are in those strongholds, it's because Hamas has placed themselves there—unfortunately, sadly, tragically, but nonetheless, what choice does Israel have?"

Israel – Hamas 2023 Symposium – What is and is not Human Shielding? - Lieber Institute West Point

Nevertheless, Hamas has violated the prohibition by, among other acts, using hostages as shields and preventing civilians from leaving northern Gaza. It has also violated obligations not to use specially protected facilities as shields.

Hey coward, you didn't go to the protest today did you?
Are you afraid to voice your views in public now?

You still have provided no direct evidence to back up IDF claims. Pointing to right wing politicians repeating IDF claims is not evidence.
You need a legit third party source or else you're just bullshitting and defending terrorism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720893630263492748

 

[basketcase]

Basketcase will confirm this, but I've been posting here for years that Israel is apartheid and needs to end the occupation.
75 years Israel has had to end the occupation.
...

I'll confirm that you have spent years and 3 handles advocating to get rid of Israel and the Jewish presence. The fact that you use 75 years as your number means you (like Hamas) think Jews don't belong there and all your statements wanting the Palestinians forced into a One State peace they detest are just part of your goal.

And just as a reminder of your elitist diminishment of Palestinian voices,

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2089%20English%20Full%20Text%20September%202023.pdf

 

[Frankfooter]

That means Israel is simply left with trying to keep violent extremists as weak as possible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/

 

[basketcase]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720848910699339918

Not surprising since Turkish politicians are calling to revoke the citizenship of any Jews, no matter how many millennia their families lived there.

 

[basketcase]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/

Did you read any of it?

Sadly your solution is for Hamas to run the region after eliminating the Jewish presence. Good way for fake people to promote human rights.



p.s. How many hours have you spent on here promoting your obsessive hatred? Do you think it more important to post tweets on a pooner board than actually attending rallies?

 

[Frankfooter]

I'll confirm that you have spent years and 3 handles advocating to get rid of Israel and the Jewish presence. The fact that you use 75 years as your number means you (like Hamas) think Jews don't belong there and all your statements wanting the Palestinians forced into a One State peace they detest are just part of your goal.

Bullshit, I'm here and I argue against apartheid as I've done repeatedly.
I support BDS and equal rights.

I find it incredibly sad that you think Israel can't exist without apartheid rule.
I think more of Israeli Jews and Palestinians than you do, I think they can learn to live together.

Your sad sack colonization movement is so backward.

As I've said for years, sanctions will eventually end Israeli apartheid if Israel won't end it.

 

[Frankfooter]

Did you read any of it?

Sadly your solution is for Hamas to run the region after eliminating the Jewish presence. Good way for fake people to promote human rights.



p.s. How many hours have you spent on here promoting your obsessive hatred? Do you think it more important to post tweets on a pooner board than actually attending rallies?

Yes, the Israeli policy of 'mowing the grass' as you propose is the same violent shite they've been trying to do for 17 years in Gaza.
Hasn't worked yet, its just resulted in more death and more hate.

That is all you've got.

Hate.
Hate for Palestinians.
Hate for human rights.
Hate for peace.

 

[xmontrealer]

It is likely, but then again may be not. It is an unlikely ideal scenario anyway. That is why I called it a wet dream. And if you want to see real apartheid, you can see it right now in the West Bank and Gaza.

Maybe not? The Middle East is not North America, where many different races and religions live together in relative, though not perfect, harmony.

With a Muslim controlled government in power, perhaps even still Hamas, it wouldn't be long before Sharia Law was imposed and replaced the current Israel judicial system.

Under apartheid at least the minority is allowed to exist, as unacceptable as apartheid may be.

In Israel there are Muslims and Christians, all with voting rights, although I'm pretty sure the Christians are treated better than the Muslims in general.

There are no Muslim controlled states in the Middle East that allow the existence of Jews, and in the few where Christians do exist they are barely tolerated.

When the Muslims shout "Death to the infidels", they mean it.

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe not? The Middle East is not North America, where many different races and religions live together in relative, though not perfect, harmony.

With a Muslim controlled government in power, perhaps even still Hamas, it wouldn't be long before Sharia Law was imposed and replaced the current Israel judicial system.

Under apartheid at least the minority is allowed to exist, as unacceptable as apartheid may be.

In Israel there are Muslims and Christians, all with voting rights, although I'm pretty sure the Christians are treated better than the Muslims in general.

There are no Muslim controlled states in the Middle East that allow the existence of Jews, and in the few where Christians do exist they are barely tolerated.

When the Muslims shout "Death to the infidels", they mean it.

Israel has a slight demographic Palestinian majority right now.
Not enough in the current system to control the entire government.

Lets hope we find out sooner, but its time for Israel's truth and reconciliation, once they end the war on Gaza and apartheid.