Israel at war
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What the hell does that even mean?
You claimed that Hamas does not use human shields.
I asked why do CNN and NY Times report that they do?
And you reply by talking about university? D'uh?
None of the examples listed or ever tried in military court include a force using their own people as human shields.
In order to make the argument that Hamas is doing so, you'd need to say what it is that justifies blowing up residential buildings. What are those military targets? What proof? In one of the most densely populated places on the planet, do they have any other locations or options, if they are doing so?
But even more important then that debate is to point out that Israel does not have the right to self defence against people they are occupying.
Yeah, democracy and equal rights.
Sort of like we do here in Canada.
You hate that kind of thing, don't you?
This is an excellent example.What the hell does that even mean?
You claimed that Hamas does not use human shields.
I asked why do CNN and NY Times report that they do?
And you reply by talking about university? D'uh?
Israel bombs a refugee camp and then hundreds of people go out to try to dig out the victims.
Right wingers and zionists accuse them of being 'human shields'.
That doesn't change the definition.
No I don't.
I'm not arguing about whether or not Israel is justified in blowing up residential buildings.
That's the closest to an argument you have here.
Is it possible for Hamas to not use hospitals or schools as bases?
That has nothing to do with whether or not Hamas is using human shields.
And frank wonders why people are afraid to protest in public for Israel. Listen to what they are chanting.
Clearly through their rhetoric, these pro-Palestinian protesters are dangerous. If a Chasidic Jew (because they are so recognizable as being Jewish) were there, they would LITERALLY tear him apart and then sing and dance.
If you have anything worthwhile to say, then I guess there is no need to respond to you futher here.
They are blocking Toronto roads every weekend.
Why isnt Trudope arresting them and freezing their bank accounts??
The real argument is would it be possible for Hamas to be able to use hospitals as bases.
Hospitals in Gaza are filled with international aid workers and volunteers, none of those would put up or not report Hamas if they were using hospitals.
No, it has bigger questions about the legality of Israel's attack on Gaza in the first place.
As the occupying power they are duty bound to protect the people they occupy, and they do occupy Gaza.
The blockade was already a war crime according to the Geneva Conventions.
The occupation of Gaza is a war crime.
Apartheid is a crime against humanity.
You can't argue in court that you were using self defence to keep committing war crimes.
Hey coward.
Go ask these people about Oct 7.
Because the facts don't change.
Using humans as shields is a war crime. They are put in the position of being a shield (a war crime) before any Israeli action.
I do.
This would be a horrible act and big news around the world.
Has Reuters reported on this? CNN? NY Times? MSNBC? There is no way that this is real without those news agencies reporting it.
But if you know there are civilians there then Israel is also committing a war crime by killing them.
Even were Hamas to be using civilians as human shields that doesn't give Israel legal basis to then kill civilians.
If mandrill were to hold klatuu at gunpoint as a human shield the cops wouldn't just kill them both and say it was mandrill's fault.
But Israel would, they'd kill the both of them and a few hundred others nearby and still blame mandrill even though they chose to fire.
Ok, so where are the reports of evidence that Hamas is using human shields.
Not just reports that say Israel accuses Hamas, show us the news stories with proof that Hamas used human shields.
Back up your claim.
I just asked frank if there are any news outlets like Reuters or CNN or NY Times have reported/confirmed this story.
If they haven't then I suspect that your intelligence would come to the same conclusion. It's a fake report.
And yet there have been consistent reports going back years that they have. (Including by Amnesty International.)
Mads is very careful about his phrasing here and that's fine.
I don't know whether it is, and even if it is, that doesn't make bombing it obviously correct, as DM has explained more than once.
Which isn't what I was talking about.
