Israel at war
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misadventure is when one slips on a banana peel. When you vote to be governed by terrorists and absorb their ideology it should be called something different, no?
well, Dagestani Muslims support them
Dagestan: Mob storms Russian airport in search of Jews
Israel urges Russia to protect Jews after furious crowd confronts passengers arriving from Tel Aviv.
www.bbc.com
In Makhachkala, Islamists seized the airport and are looking for Jews
Baku/29.10.23/Turan: Anti-Semitic propaganda in Russia is bearing fruit. On Sunday evening, several hundred Islamists seized the airport in the capital of Dagestan - Makhachkala and are looking for Jews among the arrivals, taking away passports of “suspicious" and interrogating ...
edit - axis of evil become more obvious - Russia and Iran with its proxies hamas and hesbolla are on the same side.
which side are you all on?
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The IDF is putting out these videos of female soldiers while 1400 Israelis are dead? No wonder they were routed by Hamas on Oct 7. Canada certainly doesn’t treat its female soldiers in this way. Nor does the US or any other country, Sad Shack.
The nuclear attacks on Japan are actually the perfect example to demonstrate the rules of war.
First, the attacks were not punitive. It was not simple retaliation or lust for war. If they were, they would be a war crime.
Secondly, the attacks pass the proportional proportionality analysis. In the case of Hiroshima, the military objectives were the neutralizing of the 2nd General Army, the 59th Army, the 5th Division, the 224th Division, 5 anti-aircraft batteries under the 22nd separate and 45th separate anti-aircraft battalions and the 121st and 122nd anti-aircraft regiments, it was the location of a supply and logistics headquarters, it was a stepping off port for the movement of troops, and it had factories for the manufacture of aircraft, ships, bombs, rifles and handguns. Those are clearly defined military objectives. Hiroshima housed over 440,000 soldiers with only about 340,000 civilians, and the end goal was to end the war without engaging in a land invasion which would necessarily include bombing and naval bombardment and was estimated to cost millions of military and some number more then that civilian lives on the Japanese side alone.
For Nagasaki, it was a naval industrial hub housing almost all of Japan's naval manufacturing as well as a supply and logistics port. Despite these military objectives, the loss of life was still considered, primarily it was one of the least populated cities with military objectives and of all potential targets had the largest number of people involved in military manufacturing at over 90% of all persons present. At the time of the raid, it was estimated that less than 300,000 people were in the area, and that primary goal again factored in the millions of lives that would be lost in the event of a land invasion.
The result was a significant shortening of the war, the decimation of Japanese military manufacturing, particularly naval manufacturing, the neutralization of an entire General Army and several smaller units, and the savings of millions of lives that would be lost in a land invasion, at the expenditure of about 600,000 civilians. The Japanese Imperial Army had told the allies they would need to defeat 20 million Japanese soldiers, and civilian losses are always higher, so 600,000 civilians and 500,000 soldiers were compared to 40+ million Japanese and some dozen or more million allied soldiers. Under proportional proportionality analysis, the bombings were not war crimes.
The post I replied to had said Israel was attacking civilians deliberately in order to get to them to give up their support of Hamas. If so, that is indeed a war crime. That is not a defined military objective as it is pure reciprocity. It's also illogical and insane to think killing someone's family and destroying their home is going to get them to hate your enemy. They're just going to hate you. Israeli is creating more Hamas support, not reducing it. It's also never worked in history. It's a losing strategy. Either Israel has lost their mind, that's not the objective at all, or they are simply killing Gazans for the sake of killing Gazans. It was too be one of those three. It's possible there's some objective we don't know about, and possibly that would pass the proportional proportionality analysis, but no military expert that's studied this that I follow can find that. The conclusion in military circles is clear: Israel is engaged in war crimes.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I do, however, still disagree that they are justified in committing purely punitive attacks against a civilian population in direct violation of the Geneva and Hague Conventions, and I think it's lunacy to believe that the result will somehow be less support for Hamas.
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You can phrase it any way you want. It's a war crime and murdering someone's family and destroying their home is not going to make them love you and hate your enemy.
Israel has some of the best special forces in the world. They could deal with suspected Hamas positions without indiscriminately bombing civilians hoping some of them are Hamas members.
Those are not the nails of a combat soldier on active duty. Uniforms for clicks and views.
So there were no homes, no kids in the Nuke attacks on Japan?
And you actually think there was no payback involved for Pearl Harbour?
You can go back and read I my post were I explain the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan and the civilian losses and why it's different than Gaza, but I know you won't because I've dealt with it before. I'm open to discussions with people that have proven they act in good faith, but that isn't you. Troll somewhere else.
I think you've quoted the wrong post. Regardless...
Nowhere did I say that. Like I said: troll elsewhere. You've made it clear you're not interested in a good faith debate.
Its not trolling. You are trying to claim the civilian casualties in Japan were justified because of proximity to miitary targets, yet claim Palestinian casualties in proximity to Hamas military targets are not.
Its that simple.
And btw urban warfare against an entrenched and prepared opponent is the worst bloodiest kind there is. Special forces are not the answer. They have to go building to building, clear, check for IEDs and tunnels, continue. With no Iron dome for rockets Hamas will use. And Hamas will use innocents as shields and bait. This is going to a long bloody battle that will result in 10 of thousands of casualties on both sides.
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Yes, misrepresentating arguments is simple.
One of us is a military veteran qualified to speak on that subject, the other is a troll speaking out of his ass.
Why do they have to go building to building checking if Israel knows where the targets are? The only reason they'd have to go building to building is if Israel doesn't know where the targets are, in which case you've lost the argument that they're not just bombing civilians hoping to hit Hamas but rather are bombing military targets.
Why don't they have Iron Dome?
But it would cost far fewer lives if they didn't indiscriminately bomb civilians.
Netanyahu is a terrorist.
What do you think you should now be called?
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I don't believe you are a military person.
The above assessment pretty much proves it. Every military expert I've seen discussing this is saying what I'm saying above. They have a Marine General in Israel advising them now. Israel is indeed moving in with heavy vehicles and going building to building.
Cripes, did you ever stop to think that the enemy built all those tunnels so they can move and ambush? With entrances in residential homes, shops and schools? There literally is no safe zone, no place that can go unchecked.
Hamas has designed a nightmare scenario with 300 miles of tunnels and fanatic fighters ready to die. All fully stocked with arms, and supplies for months. Trained to know where and how to inflict maximum casualties if they can before dying. Their goal here isn't peace, or negotiations. Its to kill as many Jews as many military personal as possible, while filming it all and editing it for propaganda.
Thats the reality of what is happening.
This is going to upset toguy…..he gloats about ethnic cleansing
