22 killed, dozens wounded across several locations in Lewiston, Maine: Live updates

[poorboy]

Straight up because I don't know. Where was he supposed to be? And why didn't he have a round in the chamber? Won't pretend to know a lot about guns because I don't. Always up to learn something though.

That is something Toronto Police will never say to protect their reputation.

Watch the video. You can see Minassian should have been shot. He just committed mass murder and was acting like he was going to shoot Lam.

Toronto van attack: Witness video of takedown of person believed to be suspect - YouTube

 

[basketcase]

1)Suspect shoots at innocent people.

2)Bystander shoots at suspect shooting at innocent people.

3)Second bystander shoots at first bystander who is shooting at suspect shooting at innocent people.

4)Third bystander shoots at second bystander who is shooting at first bystander who is shooting at the suspect who is shooting at innocent people.

5)Fourth bystander shoots at.................well, by now I think you get my point.

It sounds easy to say everyone should have a gun, but during these mass shootings there is mass confusion. No one at the time knows who the suspect is or if there is more than one suspect. Confusion may lead to innocent bystanders shooting other innocent bystanders, thinking they may be the suspect.

After that Paris club massacre, people were saying the same thing. Imagine a bunch of drunk gun owners in a dark club trying to play hero?

 

[basketcase]

There is a shitload of ex-military, hunters and target shooters in America, I converse with a number of them often.

Again, do you think a hunter or target shooter would do well against a current arms trainer and active military member. Sorry but there's a reason why SWAT types are currently training for these situations. Being good on fortnite doesn't mean shit in a gun fight.

 

[basketcase]

If you're hiding out in a room or someplace that a gunman is about to discover, you'll wish you had a gun and were trained to use it. ...

Well this shooter was trained to use guns.

And how do the numbers of times someone hiding in a room successfully defends themselves compare to the number of times people shot someone for being on their driveway, knocking on their door, or because a ball rolled into their yard?

 

[basketcase]

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Gang gun violence is certainly common.

We need to get criminals and gang bangers off the streets.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with universal background checks and red flag laws.

 

[basketcase]

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In case you haven't been following the news, Ukraine is a warzone.
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Is the US or Canada?

 

[basketcase]

With that line of thinking, the police and military shouldn't be carrying guns either. ...

Fantastic. We agree that only very well trained members of the police force should have hand guns.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

That is something Toronto Police will never say to protect their reputation.

Watch the video. You can see Minassian should have been shot. He just committed mass murder and was acting like he was going to shoot Lam.

Toronto van attack: Witness video of takedown of person believed to be suspect - YouTube

Yup. He won the cop lottery on that one.

 

[poorboy]

Fantastic. We agree that only very well trained members of the police force should have hand guns.

No we don't agree. Stop commenting on topics you know nothing about.

If there is an active shooter situation, SWAT teams are ineffective. They take too long to get there. That's why tactics changed after Columbine. All officers now are expected to respond and go in to an active shooter scenario. Some police officers are effective, some are not. No different than soliders or salesmen or bankers. Something is better than nothing. People are people.

When police officers leave basic training, they are trained to a proficient standard. FYI, it's the province that sets the bar for training standards, and the province wants all police officers to be carrying a gun. What kind of nutjob would rationalize taking away an option that a police officer can use to protect their own life if confronted with a knife, bat or firearm.

Time and time again, you've proven you have no idea what it's like to be in a fight and the importance of overmatch.

 

[poorboy]

Is the US or Canada?

What kind of question is that? No one has invaded the country.

Stop commenting on this topic. You've made many posts that shown you don't know anything about firearms, the industry, and haven't even been in a fight.

You've made no effort to obtain your PAL or learn about firearms safety, hunting or sport shooting beyond typing on a keyboard.

Get outside, exercise and learn something.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

More than 40,000 people killed in gun violence so far in 2023

Gun violence in the U.S. has taken an average of roughly 118 lives each day in 2023, according to data from Gun Violence Archive.

abcnews.go.com

It is a tragedy. Nobody in poor mental health should have access to firearms. Restricting access from those that are mentally ill would help to eliminate some of the mass shooting deaths, though most of those are gang-related.

Accidental gun deaths which are significantly higher than mass shooting deaths at 960 could be reduced with proper training and access. They used to teach this stuff in school.

All that being said, kudos to the USA for upholding their 2nd Amendment.

More than 40,000 people killed in gun violence so far in 2023

Gun violence in the U.S. has taken an average of roughly 118 lives each day in 2023, according to data from Gun Violence Archive.

abcnews.go.com

It is a tragedy. Nobody in poor mental health should have access to firearms. Restricting access from those that are mentally ill would help to eliminate some of the mass shooting deaths, though most of those are gang-related.

Accidental gun deaths which are significantly higher than mass shooting deaths at 960 could be reduced with proper training and access. They used to teach this stuff in school.

All that being said, kudos to the USA for upholding their 2nd Amendment.

"All that being said, kudos to the USA for upholding their 2nd Amendment."
kudos indeed. Well done......

• The Maine rampage is the deadliest mass shooting in the US this year — and the deadliest since the Uvalde school massacre. At least 566 mass shootings have happened this year across the country, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

 

[shack]

You've made many posts that shown you don't know anything about firearms, the industry, and haven't even been in a fight.

Are you talking about the mass killing industry?

Because the gun industry has nothing to do with when or where violent or crazy people decide to use them. They just manufacture them.

So, which industry are you referring to?

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1717560134203777454

 

[Not getting younger]

With that line of thinking, the police and military shouldn't be carrying guns either. You severely underestimate the number of times the average police officer or soldier shoots his firearms. Go find a random police officer in Toronto and ask him how many times a year he shoots. 9 out of 10 only shoot once a year when attending their "rigorous" 3 days of training a year.

You want to know why Toronto Police Officer Ken Lam who confronted Minassian never shot him despite Minassian making gestures that he was pointing a pistol to shoot the officer and had just mowed down 26 people, killing 11 and injuring 16? He didn't have a round in the chamber and wasn't where he was supposed to be. That's why he never received any commendation from Toronto Police or awards from any level of government. He failed at his job and would have been a dead man if Minassian actually had a firearm.

Concealed carry gun owners in the U.S. are less likely to commit a crime than their law enforcement.

The average civilian IPSC shooter puts thousands of rounds downrange a year. An IPSC shooter is more likely to neutralize a target than a police officer because of the minimum number of competitions they need to attend to keep their black badge status to allow them to compete. Same goes for IDPA and USPSA shooters.

let me know when paper fires back.

And do you not know how many US cops are ex military? But are still human, and still miss. But you think you’re special and super human no doubt.

 

[Not getting younger]

Somehow I doubt poor boy has ever actually been in a situation where adrenaline and cortisol hits like a freight train.

maybe he should Google this one. Oh an poor boy. OPP officer Del Mercy? An avid hunter.

SIU report reveals new shootout details

ALMAGUIN – One investigation has ended and another isbeginning into the deadly meeting between Fred Preston and Constable Vu Pham onMarch 8.

www.muskokaregion.com

Fred Preston also a hunter and crack shot. Never hit officer Mercy. Want to guess how many shots they traded?

Your super human though poor boy..paper shoots back at you. Thankfully you will never be allowed to carry in public.

Suspect in police killing a crack shot

The town of Sundridge is stunned that an easygoing former politician is the prime suspect in the shooting death of an OPP officer.

www.thestar.com

And lastly, I wondered if it’s crossed your mind how many round this army trainer has blown through…you think 1 shot, 1 kill? I’ll bet money you’re wrong. How much you down for?

 

[xmontrealer]

Mass shooter found dead by suicide. Self-inflicted gunshot wound.

 

[Darts]

Mass shooter found dead by suicide. Self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Not surprised. Reminds me of those two 18 year olds in western Canada and Brian Laundrie.

 

[dirtyharry555]

"All that being said, kudos to the USA for upholding their 2nd Amendment."
kudos indeed. Well done......

• The Maine rampage is the deadliest mass shooting in the US this year — and the deadliest since the Uvalde school massacre. At least 566 mass shootings have happened this year across the country, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

Americans have always had lots of guns, but they've not always had many mass shootings, so guns aren't the source of the problem.

Americans are very fortunate to have the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Americans have always had lots of guns, but they've not always had many mass shootings, so guns aren't the source of the problem.

Americans are very fortunate to have the 2nd Amendment.

When did they start to have mass shootings and what is the source of the problem?

 

[Not getting younger]

When did they start to have mass shootings and what is the source of the problem?

They likely always existed, I can recall the term “going postal” when I was kid, which referenced postal worker that snapped. That said, in the modern era, ground zero can probably be considered Columbine 1999. Some will argue after a 10 year ban on “assault rifles” and large capacity magazines, that ended in 2004.

Why are they so prevalent today? Any bodies guess. Likely a handful of reasons. My feeling is that American society has very deep underlying problems that neither side want to get honest about, starting with haves and have nots etc. . It’s always easier to blame guns or mental health.

Canadians for our population own a lot of firearms. Certainly nothing like the US, but “a lot”. Our gun controls are pretty strict, they are federal versus a mish mash of State law, and theirs aren’t…plus they can get and use large capacity magazines…That said, guns are smuggled here from the US no differently than other substances. The mass shooter in Nova Scotia had no trouble getting them. But it’s easier to blame guns, then tackle the problem…

Our gun death per capita ( murder, accidents, suicides) is under 2. Theirs is around 13-14 now ( I think)…..in both countries suicides account for about half of gun deaths. Suicide rates about the same and in both countries the rates for men are alarmingly high. But like mass murders, few want to look at honestly. It’s just easier to blame guns….or men or right wing men.

So why do they have mass shootings everyday, and they are pretty rare here? We breathe the same air. Differences in our societies imo. We value human life more, value our neighbors more, and are “socialist” whereas they are “capitalist “ and everybody for themselves. We pay A lot of taxes, and pour money into things like healthcare, access to mental healthcare, education, inner cities and poverty, aka social safety nets. They don’t.