22 killed, dozens wounded across several locations in Lewiston, Maine: Live updates
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Suspect still at large. They surrounded his house last night but he wasn't home. If he is a survivalist, he could be at large for days/weeks.
1)Suspect shoots at innocent people.
2)Bystander shoots at suspect shooting at innocent people.
3)Second bystander shoots at first bystander who is shooting at suspect shooting at innocent people.
4)Third bystander shoots at second bystander who is shooting at first bystander who is shooting at the suspect who is shooting at innocent people.
5)Fourth bystander shoots at.................well, by now I think you get my point.
It sounds easy to say everyone should have a gun, but during these mass shootings there is mass confusion. No one at the time knows who the suspect is or if there is more than one suspect. Confusion may lead to innocent bystanders shooting other innocent bystanders, thinking they may be the suspect.
I was watching this on CNN last night. It was interesting to watch how CNN tried to strike a balance between thoroughly reporting what police forces were doing and not providing information about police tactics that would be helpful to the suspect if he were watching from inside the house.
There is a shitload of ex-military, hunters and target shooters in America, I converse with a number of them often.
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How often do trained police unload on someone but hit just a few times?
How often does paper shoot back?
And how often do they shoot trick or treaters, and people that aren’t threats……..
How often do trained police unload on someone but hit just a few times?
How often does paper shoot back?
If you're hiding out in a room or someplace that a gunman is about to discover, you'll wish you had a gun and were trained to use it. The element of surprise may be on your side and enough to change the outcome.
The feeling of being a sitting duck on the way to certain death must be one of the worst experiences in a life.
Victims of crime defending themselves with guns is commonplace.
The feeling of being a sitting duck on the way to certain death must be one of the worst experiences in a life.
Victims of crime defending themselves with guns is commonplace.
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This was also mentioned in the Israeli war thread. The Israelis who were armed fought back against the intruders.
Ukraine Parliament Passes Law Allowing Citizens to Carry Firearms (businessinsider.com)
In case you haven't been following the news, Ukraine is a warzone.
You're a fool if you're staking your life being saved by the police. When is the last time you've actually seen the police in your neighbourhood? Ever called 911, even for an ambulance? You realize you are placed in a hold que until your call is answered, and then forwarded by 911 to either ambulance, fire or police?
You don't know what life is like outside of Toronto. Police fire, and ambulance are not 24/7 service outside of the big cities. They are on callout.
If it's just one dude hunting me, sure - I'd want a gun. I'd want to go down fighting back.
But would I trust the dummy from the next block who has a glock and had shot at a target a few times to deal with a killer?...... I'd be worried that he'd shoot the wrong person or do something else really dumb.
Everyone's a war hero in their own fantasy world.
Know what else is common place?
Kids getting a hold of guns and killing parents/friends
Gun owners killing neighbors over play stations
Gun owners killing kids trick or treating and things that go bump in the night.
Gun owners killing themselves accidentally
Gun owners that won’t allow spouses to go shopping without packing. They call it being free. But it’s a fear prison.
Gang bangers not hitting the broad side of a barn and killing by standers.police not hitting the broad side… Google dozens of shootouts..
But gun owner thinking they are better. Gun owners thinking they are not human and immune to tunnel vision, audio exculpatory, and adrenaline and cortisol and how that impacts fine muscle control, and breathing. I’d bet real money most here have no clue what that’s like.
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The above are uncommon. Please refer to the stats previously posted at https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/22-...maine-live-updates.831985/page-2#post-8145338
I don't have stats on these.
I don't have stats on this but this doesn't sound common nor healthy. I've never actually heard about this before.
Gang gun violence is certainly common.
We need to get criminals and gang bangers off the streets.
Absolutely there is no training that can truly prepare someone for life and death situations. This is why no matter how much training police get, they may make mistakes dealing with potentially dangerous situations. Even so, it's better to be armed and not need to use it, than to need one and not have it.
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Well you know where I stand on bans, crime, Canadas bleeding hearts, our weak justice system, and irrefutable history of pouring $$ into social stuff, but not policing.
That said. As a gun owner. Anyone that wants shall issue, concealed carry, thinks they can perform under extreme duress when adrenaline and cortisol hit the system like a freight train.. Shouldnt have a gun in public.
And I’d rather a gun death per capita of under 2 than 14. Or whatever sick and obscene number theirs is today.
With that line of thinking, the police and military shouldn't be carrying guns either. You severely underestimate the number of times the average police officer or soldier shoots his firearms. Go find a random police officer in Toronto and ask him how many times a year he shoots. 9 out of 10 only shoot once a year when attending their "rigorous" 3 days of training a year.
You want to know why Toronto Police Officer Ken Lam who confronted Minassian never shot him despite Minassian making gestures that he was pointing a pistol to shoot the officer and had just mowed down 26 people, killing 11 and injuring 16? He didn't have a round in the chamber and wasn't where he was supposed to be. That's why he never received any commendation from Toronto Police or awards from any level of government. He failed at his job and would have been a dead man if Minassian actually had a firearm.
Concealed carry gun owners in the U.S. are less likely to commit a crime than their law enforcement.
The average civilian IPSC shooter puts thousands of rounds downrange a year. An IPSC shooter is more likely to neutralize a target than a police officer because of the minimum number of competitions they need to attend to keep their black badge status to allow them to compete. Same goes for IDPA and USPSA shooters.
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Straight up because I don't know. Where was he supposed to be? And why didn't he have a round in the chamber? Won't pretend to know a lot about guns because I don't. Always up to learn something though.
As shocking as it sounds, there are officers that don't chamber a round in their gun because they're afraid (don't feel competent) of discharging their gun accidentally or intentionally (but unlawfully).
It's disgraceful. If such an officer has only a split second to save someone's life or their own life, they won't be able to.
Someone that's afraid of their own weapon shouldn't be a cop.
But that's the world we live in.
It's disgraceful. If such an officer has only a split second to save someone's life or their own life, they won't be able to.
Someone that's afraid of their own weapon shouldn't be a cop.
But that's the world we live in.
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