ChatGPT spells the end of university education as we know it

[Valcazar]

All good things in the long run, if the goal is to graduate competent people.

If one of the unintended effects of ChatGPT is a re-alignment of University away from the business mindset and a return to higher education, I will take it.

 

[escortsxxx]

I don't see how it spells the end of university education. They'll just have to restrict grading to in-person activities. Exams, and smaller written assignments that can be completed in one sitting, with research being conducted the old-fashioned way.
Keep in mind that cheating was prevalent even before chatGPT. It was a simple matter to pay someone to do your essays and research assignments for you. In a way, chatGPT just puts the poor on the same level as the rich in terms of cheating ability!

This will force the universities to get off their asses and do a proper job with grading.

And what do you mean by proper grading? I'm curious what you're seeing lacking? The university schools exercise the mind. ai is Like doing a marathon in a sports car We're having somebody carry you over the finish line. Your body does not get much of a work out.

It's the reason that I can use google Define things within a few minutes or seconds and other people that are younger Can't find it at all or take hours. Even the use of the tools is much reduced. The flynn effect claims an increase in iq. yet...

 

[escortsxxx]

Unless someone graduates from university with a degree that is immediately useful for employment like law, medicine, engineering, dentistry, nursing etc, time in school may be wasted with a “useless “ degree and ChatGPT will further this effect.
ChatGPT cannot fuck with the trades at least yet not yet
Maybe one day AI will see a robot crew building an entire condo.!

months away
Tele trades first a buck a day plumbers running the robot here from 1⁄3 world sweet shop. Maybe the same dps too. I saw some of the artificial women this weekend.

 

[escortsxxx]

You don't need unannounced exams. Announced ones are fine, it isn't like Chat GPT can help them there.

You can also flip it to make ChatGPT work for you.

Take a term paper project, bring it in. Feel free to tell them to use Chat GPT to write it.
The assessment will be how well you can defend the paper, take it apart, explain its reasoning, and justify its conclusions in an oral exam.

All Chat GPT does is make term papers not very useful as an assessment tool anymore.

Check does help with Announce exams. In the original version you could have it Create exams with the answers That you can expect to receive. but at least this is memorization at the cost of anylitical .ie . Before students have to figure out what was important And what What's going to happen on there test. Not hard As there's only so many things to talk about.

ideally chat will Have a Have a class ere everybody gets 100% ... Not because they cheted but he am helped them to learn . Cuba has when were doctors on us not because they are smarter.. But the system supports anyone with medical talent... Rather than rejecting Hundreds because they got 1% less on an English test



However that's the communist dream And then there are much darker ways to go. University has not produced people for you at least 10 years.

 

[Adamxx]

A key skill is the one to carry out research, which includes attempting to land on the most relevant conclusions, which requires weighing the information gathered.

This includes our everyday lives / decisions.

The so called AI technology is just one means of gathering information, it is the work work to produce a relevant and reasonable solution that needs to be the measure.

 

[basketcase]

Check does help with Announce exams. In the original version you could have it Create exams with the answers That you can expect to receive. but at least this is memorization at the cost of anylitical .ie . Before students have to figure out what was important And what What's going to happen on there test. Not hard As there's only so many things to talk about.

ideally chat will Have a Have a class ere everybody gets 100% ... Not because they cheted but he am helped them to learn . Cuba has when were doctors on us not because they are smarter.. But the system supports anyone with medical talent... Rather than rejecting Hundreds because they got 1% less on an English test



However that's the communist dream And then there are much darker ways to go. University has not produced people for you at least 10 years.

That analysis isn't as easy to learn. And it's not like university exams test easy to memorize facts so students still need to understand the content and make the connections required. Knowing how to solve one partial differential equation from a textbook example, old exam, or AI created solution isn't going to help on the exam if you can't actually solve others. The same can be said for essay based exams where there is such a wide variety of possible questions that even memorizing a dozen essay samples doesn't make it easy.

And I don't know why you think using study tools is a bad thing. In university we would regularly use old exams as tools to study. Knowing the question types and format is useless unless you can actually do the work. And why does it matter whether the person learns from a prof's lecture, a textbook, a youtube video, or an AI created lesson; the point is they learned what they need to learn.

 

[southpaw]

And why does it matter whether the person learns from a prof's lecture, a textbook, a youtube video, or an AI created lesson; the point is they learned what they need to learn.

It doesn't matter how they learned. It matters when you test what they learned.

Using AI to deliver lessons is fine. Using AI to submit assignments is not. That's why I applaud the return to pen and pencil exams.

 

[escortsxxx]

That analysis isn't as easy to learn. And it's not like university exams test easy to memorize facts so students still need to understand the content and make the connections required. Knowing how to solve one partial differential equation from a textbook example, old exam, or AI created solution isn't going to help on the exam if you can't actually solve others. The same can be said for essay based exams where there is such a wide variety of possible questions that even memorizing a dozen essay samples doesn't make it easy.

And I don't know why you think using study tools is a bad thing. In university we would regularly use old exams as tools to study. Knowing the question types and format is useless unless you can actually do the work. And why does it matter whether the person learns from a prof's lecture, a textbook, a youtube video, or an AI created lesson; the point is they learned what they need to learn.

I've talked to Several graduates which used chat to pass. It's clear that they never learn the material long term. The better at bluffing have gotten jobs Matching there fake educati. some are smart enough To actually start learning the material after school.


Myself I benefit it from technology. My marks were better because of my use of tech at the time. Used as an amplifier.. That is getting high performance is one thing. Most use it to goof off.

History rhymes and we are going back o gibson. More mall Collapses in the future.

Sure when it all works that will be fine. But for now cheating will be the norm And the grace will be question marked. from chat a bad answer on the topic:
Chat can be abused by students preparing for exams in several ways:

1. Cheating: Students may use chat to share answers, information, or solutions with each other during the exam. This can involve sending or receiving text messages, images, or files containing prohibited content.
2. Plagiarism: Some students might copy and paste information from chat conversations into their assignments or exams without proper citation, passing it off as their own work.
3. Sharing Exam Content: If students have access to exam content before the test, they may share this information in chat groups, allowing others to gain an unfair advantage.
4. Impersonation: Students might impersonate someone else in chat, such as a classmate or teacher, to gather information, seek help, or create confusion.
5. Using Bots: Advanced students might use chatbots to find answers to questions, creating a form of automated cheating.
6. Distracting Conversations: Instead of studying, students may engage in irrelevant or distracting conversations with friends, potentially harming their focus and preparation.

To prevent these abuses, educational institutions often implement measures like proctoring, strict exam rules, and honor codes. It's important for students to maintain academic integrity and use chat responsibly during their exam preparation.

 

[y2kmark]

Why isn't ChatGPT the end of wordle?

 

[lomotil]

Most of the university degrees that are most susceptible to ChatGPT abuses and misuses are those that are useless for finding employment, courses which are for the supposed expansion of thinking and the mind only.

 

[james t kirk]

It seems to be changing back. To the old days of paper exams. This is a good sign.

When I was in Uni, there was so much cheating on assignments. Getting papers from students in higher years etc.

Kind of hard to cheat on a proctored paper exam. Maybe the kids will actually learn something now.

Paper exams, chatbot bans: Colleges seek to 'ChatGPT-proof' assignments

ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence chatbots have become the go-to source for cheating in college

abcnews.go.com

I'm dating myself, but, they don't have paper exams anymore?

I was an engineering student and ALL of our exams were paper. I also took English literature courses and history, economics courses and the exams were all just write an essay on this or that. All paper, all long hand. (Thank God for cursive.)

As to assignments, everyone shared, but you still learned a thing or two.

 

[basketcase]

It doesn't matter how they learned. It matters when you test what they learned.

Using AI to deliver lessons is fine. Using AI to submit assignments is not. That's why I applaud the return to pen and pencil exams.

If the point of education is to prepare you for life, an academic test isn't the significant thing.

But in academic balance there is always a balance. I had HS teachers who made us memorize big chunks of the periodic table and physics equations. In engineering, we were allowed some resources, but in practice all those basics are simply looked up on data tables. In humanities, I do agree that an essay exam is a more reliable way of assessing knowledge but it is affected by people's abilities to manage stress and other factors as they are writing, putting an entire course on the line in a couple hours. On the pragmatic side actual work for most jobs does not involve doing your work in a 3h non-stop session (mmm, a 3 h session - though as I get older, that would have to include a nap). I don't know what the best method of evaluating learning is but simply relying on exams isn't perfect. I like the idea of a set of oral defences but that isn't a pragmatic way when university classes can be more than a thousand people.

 

[basketcase]

I've talked to Several graduates which used chat to pass. It's clear that they never learn the material long term. ...

I will admit to a few exams where I crammed the day before and pretty much forgot everything when the course was over. Not that much different.

 

[escortsxxx]

I will admit to a few exams where I crammed the day before and pretty much forgot everything when the course was over. Not that much different.

The current research says you're wrong. But the jury is out.
However me and my friend duplicated this This video the summer without the video. I thought that the video was not cherry picked or edited. It may have been But we got mostly the same results. 5% for actually decent

Without a doubt calculators have destroyed math General literacy. People are shocked when you can actually tell them how much something is before its Put in the computer.

 

[southpaw]

If the point of education is to prepare you for life, an academic test isn't the significant thing.

Granted. But if the point of a test is to confirm your knowledge of the subject matter, it must be administered in some way that you can't cheat.

 

[escortsxxx]

Granted. But if the point of a test is to confirm your knowledge of the subject matter, it must be administered in some way that you can't cheat.

Actually test are meant to focus you.. They are learning aid as a primary function. But yeah we use them for other thing too

 

[shack]

Interesting, as many moons ago, if a household was lucky enough to house a set of encyclopedias, the children often achieved higher marks in many subjects, and schools had no issues with the tools utilized back then, as the encyclopedias assisted a few and encyclopedias were often recommended .

That's called research.

However, now technology has more or less levelled the playing field now, and there are some serious concerns.

That's called somebody doing your work for you.

 

[Adamxx]

That's called research.


That's called somebody doing your work for you.
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One definition of research : to search or investigate exhaustively. 2. studious inquiry or examination; especially : investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws..

You appear to misunderstand the point I attempted to make, and simplify research into only how the data utilized was collected.

Wonder how many hours were invested in putting a set of encyclopedias together by a company, for someone only to search the index.

One always should consider the sources and weight each piece of data carefully, especially from results of any AI search , as the internet is open to many , not to mention the preferences given to certain parties that motivate the search engines owners to present their products / data first.

How does the saying go: “Work smarter, not harder”

If education is to assist us in attaining our goals, and most would be utilizing some form of AI in their career or personal life, why not in the schooling system where educators can assist them with it advantages and risks.

 

[shack]

You appear to misunderstand the point I attempted to make, and simplify research into only how the data utilized was collected.

I didn't go back and reread it, but my impression was that you implied that using an encyclopedia was a negative, a form of cheating and/or it was analogous to AI.

 

[explorerzip]

I agree with this.

What it will also do, for secondary and post secondary students is eliminate “busy work” bullshit assignments.

The teachers and profs need to be on their toes and be creative in a curriculum that promotes critical thinking and in person, real world based assignments. To display competence rather than regurgitate useless facts and assignments that are nothing but filler.

While they are at it, they should get rid of incompetent TAs who teach and tutor 1st college and university students. Most of them are a waste of space.

Couldn't agree with you more. The education system especially post-secondary has turned into a conveyor belt where we feed kids facts and have them regurgitate it on an exam. Worse, the higher education system has far too many administrators causing the costs to skyrocket. This further cements how irrelevent higher education has become. Just about any skill can be learned online cheaply or free these days because we have Linkedin Learning, YouTube, Coursera, Udemy, Reddit, etc.

I've actually heard of a business that uses a paper based test to screen people. A number of years ago, a web developer friend applied for a job only to find out they required him to take a paper based test in-office to prove his technical skills. He dropped the application because it's a pointless test and kind of insulting to be asked to do one. I get that businesses want to know that they're hiring the right people, but they should be able to find out fairly quickly. Besides, an employer can terminate someone during the probation period.

Coders (and just about all jobs) needs to use a computer and regularly search or reference the web. There's no way you can memorize enough information about coding or any subject to do a job effectively. That's why we have books, computers, and the web.