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From Reuters news service today:


Biden says Hamas must be eliminated, US officials warn war could escalate
Story by By Nandita Bose and Katharine Jackson •2h



WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Joe Biden said on Sunday he believes the Hamas militant group must be eliminated but there should be a path to a Palestinian state, after top U.S. officials warned the war between Israel and Hamas could escalate.
Biden did not think American troops would be necessary on the ground as Israel has one of the "finest fighting forces," even as American warships headed to the area amid growing clashes on Israel's northern border with Lebanon.

Israel unleashed a ferocious bombing campaign over Gaza in retaliation for unprecedented attacks by Hamas eight days ago that killed some 1,300 Israelis, mostly civilians.
When asked if he believes Hamas must be eliminated entirely, Biden said "Yes, I do. But there needs to be a Palestinian authority. There needs to be a path to a Palestinian state," he said during a CBS 60 Minutes interview broadcast on Sunday.

The U.S. President warned it would be a mistake for Israel to occupy Gaza but that "taking out" Hezbollah and Hamas was a "a necessary requirement." He said "It would be a mistake to ... for Israel to occupy ... Gaza again."
Israel captured and occupied the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war. It withdrew its settlers and troops from Gaza in 2005, before Hamas' takeover of the Strip in 2007.
The conflict has sent tensions soaring.

"There is a risk of an escalation of this conflict, the opening of a second front in the north and, of course, Iran's involvement," White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan told CBS earlier in the day.

Gaza authorities say more than 2,670 people have been killed there, a quarter of them children. Casualties are expected to rise as Israel prepares for a ground assault on the tiny, densely populated enclave that could start within days.

U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced deployment of a second aircraft carrier group late on Saturday, calling it a sign of "our resolve to deter any state or non-state actor seeking to escalate this war."
The aircraft carrier the Dwight Eisenhower will join a small fleet including the massive Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier in the eastern Mediterranean.
"Iran is the elephant in the room," a U.S. official briefed on the situation said about the increasing military presence. "The carriers are accompanied by warships and attack planes. Every effort is being made to stop this from becoming a regional conflict."

Biden said his message to Iran is to not escalate the conflict.

Iran Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian warned on Sunday his country could act, telling al Jazeera that it had conveyed a message to Israeli officials that "if they do not cease their atrocities in Gaza, Iran cannot simply remain an observer." "If the scope of the war expands, significant damages will also be inflicted upon America," he warned.

Biden told CBS the threat of terrorism in the U.S. has increased due to growing unrest in the Middle East. He said, however, the U.S. can take care of wars in Israel and Ukraine and still maintain its "international defense."
Violence on Israel's northern border is already escalating. Lebanon's Iran-backed Hezbollah fighters launched attacks on Israeli army posts and a northern border village on Sunday; Israel retaliated with strikes in Lebanon.
The U.S. is urging Israel to hold off on its ground offensive to allow humanitarian efforts for Gaza's residents trapped in the area, several U.S. officials said.
Sullivan discussed a new weapons package for Israel and Ukraine that would be "significantly higher" than the previously reported $2 billion. He told CBS that Biden planned to have intensive talks on the package this week with the U.S. Congress, which has been hobbled by Republicans' struggles to pick a new speaker of the House of Representatives.

Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer, speaking in Tel Aviv on Sunday, said the U.S. Senate could move first to approve more funding for Israel. "We're not waiting for the House (of Representatives)," he said.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said on Sunday he is traveling to the region with other senators in coming days to push continued negotiations between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Graham said he intended to introduce a bill that would "allow military action by the United States in conjunction with Israel to knock Iran out of the oil business" if Iran attacks Israel.

U.S. government officials also said they are mobilizing to help alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, anticipating a brutal ground offensive.
Israeli officials have made clear it will not be an easy or swift campaign. It faces the challenge that scores of hostages seized by Hamas on Oct. 7 could now be held in a warren of underground tunnels, which its soldiers must clear to destroy Hamas.

Biden, in a message posted on X, formerly Twitter, said: "We must not lose sight of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians had nothing to do with Hamas' appalling attacks, and are suffering as a result of them."
The U.S. has appointed former ambassador to Turkey David Satterfield as a special envoy for Middle East humanitarian issues. His focus would be to "promote the safety of civilians," the State Department said.
"We're pushing Israel to delay any action on the ground," said one U.S. official briefed on the situation. Asked directly if the U.S. was pushing Israel to delay its ground war for civilians, Sullivan told NBC "we are not interfering in their military planning or trying to give them instructions..."

However, he added, the U.S. is telling Israel any actions should follow the law of war, and that "civilians should have a real opportunity to get to safety."
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Sunday that the Egyptian-controlled border crossing into Gaza would reopen and the U.S. was working with Egypt, Israel and the United Nations to get assistance through it.

Hundreds of tonnes of aid from several countries have been held up in Egypt's Sinai peninsula for days pending a deal for its safe delivery to Gaza and the evacuation of some foreign passport holders through the Rafah crossing.
Sullivan told NBC, "so far, we have not been able to get American citizens through the border crossing and I'm not aware of anyone else being able to get out at this time."
He added that he wanted to make sure the civilian population that remained in Gaza had access to food, water and safe shelter, and in an interview with CNN said Israeli officials had recently "turned the water pipe back on in southern Gaza."

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told Reuters that the Israel assault on Gaza would be bloody.
"I expect urban warfare on steroids," he said. "There will be cries from the international community for Israel to stand down, but I think it's imperative that we give Israel the time and space to destroy Hamas."
(Reporting by Nandita Bose, Katharine Jackson, Christopher Bing, and Steve Holland in Washington; Writing by Raphael Satter; Editing by Heather Timmons, Bill Berkrot and Sandra Maler)
 
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That is a complete cop out. Fact is, YOU CAN'T. Which means there is no line and your whole premise is BULLSHIT.
My very first sentence was that provocation is not a terrorist attack. So am not sure what premise you are going on about.

Actual acts of terror are when innocent civilians are targeted and killed. That is a sufficient and widely accepted definition.
 

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Surprised BBC anchor slammed for being pro-Hamas by his Arab guest

 

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Or being a toady for the IDF. You certainly burnished your bona fides with that howler.
I'd much rather be a toady for the IDF than a toady for a terrorist group like Hamas.
 

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My very first sentence was that provocation is not a terrorist attack. So am not sure what premise you are going on about.

Actual acts of terror are when innocent civilians are targeted and killed. That is a sufficient and widely accepted definition.
No it’s not.
Kids /civilians are targeted and killed plenty of times.
some terms that get used are.
Patricide
Murder/suicide
Crimes of passion
Pedophiles
Mass murders in schools
More

Those are never deemed terrorist
 

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Yes, hamas as sending soldiers to kill more than a thousand civilians in cold blood in a well prepared and well coordinated slaughter is a textbook case of genocide.

Hamas has never hidden that their goals is at best ethnic cleansing of millions of Jews because their warped version of Islam.
 
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So Hamas you think are guilty of 'genocidal intent' for their charter.
But Israel, who has actually wiped Palestine off the map and not just called for but enacted Palestine's destruction are innocent?
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Yes your posts are really fucked up. Palestine was never 'wiped from the map' unless you consider Jordan stealing the Palestinian part of the Mandate.
 

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People have a right to express themselves and peacefully protest for views the believe in. Immigration does not mean they should forget their people or their cultures. To say so is contrary to the freedom of expression right wingers usually purport to love. Dearborn (along with Windsor) has a large Arab population, so they support Palestinians. Big deal.
Of course they have a right to protest as long as they are not pushing hate speech.
 
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What? This seriously undermines the Israeli narrative.
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Holy fuck. Hamas openly admits their attack on Jewish civilians in towns, openly admits surrounding and gunning down youth at a festival, and openly admit to holding 200+ civilian hostages and your only excuse is to pretend those 1000+ dead were all killed by Israel?

Your views and promotion of hatred are fucking disgusting.
 

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No it’s not.
Kids /civilians are targeted and killed plenty of times.
some terms that get used are.
Patricide
Murder/suicide
Crimes of passion
Pedophiles
Mass murders in schools
More

Those are never deemed terrorist
Yeah well, but put my statement in context of the thread. Targeted killing of civilians for making political statements, ethnic or racist reasons, religious reasons, and even revenge against a group of people etc IS terrorism.
 
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Beirut? How many times was Lebanon invaded by Israel? Hezbollah came to power the same way Hamas did, in reaction to aggressions.
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Cart, horse.

Israel invaded southern Lebanon explicitly because of terrorism using Lebanon as a safe harbour. Iran used this to violate Lebanese sovereignty by setting up a non-governmental military that has control over Southern Lebanon.

p.s. In your normal double standard, I see you don't mention the Syrian invasion of Lebanon which started well before Israel' and lasted much longer.
 
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Frank say Israel is committing terrorist attacks, when he clearly doesn’t understand what a terrorist is. Maybe he will find the back bone for his conviction to answer 1 simple question.

Can Frank name a single, just one. Occasion when terrorist have warned civilians to leave the area before attacking?

Just one.
To be fair, the IRA did at times. Of course unlike Hamas, their goal was to make a statement with property damage, not butcher civilians.
 
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WOW

Biden to visit Israel on Wednesday, Blinken says
"If Hamas blocks humanitarian aid from reaching civilians, we'll work to prevent it from happening again," the Secretary of State said.
2000 Marines heading to Israel.


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